Barring an official answer, I believe that a cadet ship SSD is 1/2 of the boxes of the corresponding full ship SSD in SFB, just as a Fleet Scale ship Card in Federation Commander is 1/2 of the Squadron Scale ship card for the same ship. So I would say that since the number of boxes on the Cadet SSD is halved the BPV is also halved. Just as the Point Value is halved when comparing Squadron and Fleet Scale FC ship cards

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, June 06, 2019 - 03:39 pm: Edit

Half is close enough.

By Gregory S Flusche (Vandor) on Friday, June 07, 2019 - 08:34 am: Edit

I can not find my R sections on civilian bases. Would a Romulan Civilian Base station (BSC) have a cloaking device?

By Jeffrey George Anderson (Jeff) on Friday, June 07, 2019 - 01:01 pm: Edit

I don't know, Vandor, but I'd highly doubt it.

Romulan Police Ships don't have cloaks, even though they are part of the protection of the Empire. For that reason, I'm guessing that civilian bases, which AREN'T part of the defense of the Empire, would not be given something denied to a protector.

But as always, I could be wrong...

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, June 07, 2019 - 01:14 pm: Edit

No cloaks on "civilian" units.

By Patrick H. Dillman (Patrick) on Friday, June 07, 2019 - 02:40 pm: Edit

Thanks SVC!

By Gregory S Flusche (Vandor) on Friday, June 07, 2019 - 03:04 pm: Edit

That was what I had thought. The Campaign I am playing in says (BSC) a civilian base station for my Roms. Just could not find the rules for it.

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Friday, June 07, 2019 - 05:07 pm: Edit

I can not find the BSC civilian base station in SFB modules, I am guessing it must be in a Captains Log.

By Richard Wells (Rwwells) on Friday, June 07, 2019 - 05:26 pm: Edit

BSC rule is in R1. The SSD is page 79 of C3 (the Seltorian module).

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Friday, June 07, 2019 - 06:17 pm: Edit

Thank you Richard, yes it is in R1 (R1.35) civilian base station (BSC), and the SSD is in Module C3.

By James Cain (Jcain) on Tuesday, June 25, 2019 - 12:55 pm: Edit

Does a Klingon TSS Small Tramp Steamer in module R6 have two one-box security stations, a single one-box security station, or does it not have any security stations?

I can make a case for 0, 1, or 2 one-box security stations:
0: If the passengers are not counted and it is treated like the small freighter it is based upon.
1: If it is treated like the passenger ships of the same general hull type (small troop transport, small civilian cruise liner, small prison transport, and small hospital freighter).
2: If (G6.7) is followed to the letter based upon a total crew of 33 crew units, including passengers.

The question has major implications on the ship's popularity with smugglers and susceptibility to mutiny. If it does not have any security stations then it would be much more popular with smugglers but it would also in theory be immune to mutiny, unless I am misunderstanding (G6.0).

If a TSS has any security stations, then I see the smugglers sticking to just the F-S, F-L, F-OJ, F-OL, FT, and APT, which do not have security stations. If the TSS does not have a security station then I see smugglers using it to move people that want to blend in with the other passengers to avoid notice, but yet it would be strangely immune to mutiny.

The more I think about it, I think that it should have a single one-box security station to watch the passengers, but ask for an official ruling.

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - 02:43 pm: Edit

James Cain:

(G6.7) All Klingon ships (except those noted) have security stations; in most cases where a standard ship is modified for Klingon use, this addition will be noted. In other cases (freighters, free traders, auxiliaries, etc.), it can be assumed that two separate one-box security stations are added.

(R1.44) Small Tramp Steamer (TSS): Based on a small freighter hull.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 02:39 pm: Edit

James Cain:

Tramp Steamers do not have security stations.

As to their use by sumgglers, not much different than a small freighter, but that difference is a killer.

Even a small freighter might have a few few passengers booked. But in all cases, any passengers you take on may include operatives from the Empire Security Service.

There are economic limits on what the Empire Security Service can do, and having security stations on every freighter is just not feasible.

But it can have agents who "travel," and book passage on one freighter or another to check on the honesty of the crew (does not mean they do not ignore relatively minor infractions, but if they find out you are doing something that they consider a threat to the empire, well the next time you ship out a G2 may perform a "health and welfare inspection," and arrest the crew and impound the ship. You will not know that it was one of your innocuous passengers that travelled on your ship three or four voyages previously.

By Francois Lemay (Princeton) on Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 09:22 pm: Edit

Need your help Mr SPP re the Tholian DH/DHW.
I am redoing the 3G SSD and looking at the paper DH/DHW SSD in CL 29 on page 54 [ on my copy], I see the SSD has the Web Caster on it already. Also shows a Snare refit costing 6 Bpv but I cannot find out where this snare refit goes ?
Do the WC boxes replace the snare refit ?
Does the DH have a couple of Web boxes [ web boxes not shown on SSD] before the snare refit ?

I'm thinking the DH starts with 2 Web boxes, then the snare refit comes along replacing the 2 web boxes.
Then the Web Caster refit [DHW] comes along replacing the 2 snare boxes .

Is this correct or does the DHW get both, the snare and WC refits ?

Thanks !

Cheers
Frank

By Jeffrey George Anderson (Jeff) on Friday, July 05, 2019 - 01:48 am: Edit

Frank, would you believe I pondered over the EXACT same problem with the SSD a couple weeks ago? TBH, I can't remember (exactly) whether I found in the ship description or just came to the same conclusion, but I think you hit the nail right on the head.

By Francois Lemay (Princeton) on Friday, July 05, 2019 - 05:07 am: Edit

Jeffrey,
If you can remember the ship, please let me know as I am part of the team putting the 3G SSD's together.
We may have to go and make corrections which is easy enough.

Thanks.

Cheers
Frank

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, July 05, 2019 - 11:36 am: Edit

Data developed for the Tholian DH (R7.44) in the Tholian Master Starship Book which is currently being worked on:

Refits: Snare refit available in Y183 and would have been standard after Y185. Beginning in Y184 the web generators/snares were replaced with web casters and the ship became the DHW heavy dreadnought (without this refit, web casters J and K are web generators that are upgraded to snares by the snare refit; this is not explained on the SSD).

By Francois Lemay (Princeton) on Friday, July 05, 2019 - 11:42 am: Edit

Thank you SPP !

Cheers
Frank

By Bill Phillips (Praetor) on Friday, July 05, 2019 - 01:43 pm: Edit

On the Kzinti Drone Cruiser, drone speed upgrades to fast costs 36 BPV for the initial load. Are the reloads and stored drones free, or do they also cost 1 BPV each for the upgrade to fast ?

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, July 05, 2019 - 02:28 pm: Edit

Bill Philips:

Reload drones, even those stored in cargo boxes, are always free.

The only partial exceptions are carrier escorts (they have no fighters, but must still pay to upgrade the drones present in their ready racks to be used by the carrier's fighters, although even the reloads for these racks , there are two of them, are free once you pay for what is in the racks. And of course the drone-armed multi-role shuttles, which nominally have 18 spaces of reloads, but you are required to pay for half of the drones (the two on the multi-role or in its ready rack and eight additional spaces), at which point the remaining 10 are upgraded for free. See (J8.51).

Note also that the drone speed upgrade for the CD is not always 36, as you might replace two type-I drones with a type-IV, and if you did that with all of them, the cost would only be 18 BPV. Further, if you are going on a bombardment mission with type-IIIXX drones, these are also double space (one takes the place of two type-I) and again if all of the drones were replaced the speed upgrade would only be 18 BPV. But note that multi-warheads on the drones (if any) would also pay speed cost upgrades.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, July 05, 2019 - 02:31 pm: Edit

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By Stephen Stewart (Stevestewart) on Saturday, July 06, 2019 - 10:06 am: Edit

In the text for (YR6.21A) and (YR6.21B), there is reference to replacing atomic missile racks with Plasma-G bolts. However, the SSD only shows Plasma-F. Is the text or the SSD correct?

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Saturday, July 06, 2019 - 01:47 pm: Edit

Stephen Stewart:

We are working on the Gorn Master Starship Book, and this turned up as a line item report, and was an error that carried forward from that point generating additional reports as follows:

(YR6.21) WCC: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship was refitted with plasma-G bolts. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F bolts (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this.

(YR6.21A) WCCL: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship was refitted with plasma-G bolts. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F bolts (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this.

(YR6.21B) WCCI: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship was refitted with plasma-G bolts. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F bolts (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this.

(YR6.22) WCL: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship had missile launchers instead of "plasma-G" torpedoes. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F torpedoes (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this.

(YR6.22A) WLL: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship was refitted with plasma-G bolts. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F bolts (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this..

(YR6.22B) WLI: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship was refitted with plasma-G bolts. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F bolts (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this.

(YR6.23) WFF: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship had missile launchers instead of "plasma-G" torpedoes. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F torpedoes (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this.

(YR6.23A) WFL: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship was refitted with plasma-G bolts. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F bolts (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this.

(YR6.23B) WFI: No one noticed, but the ship description says the ship was refitted with plasma-G bolts. The SSD shows that it only had plasma-F bolts (of the warp-refitted ships, only the warp-refitted battleships had plasma-Gs). I have fixed this

By Stephen Stewart (Stevestewart) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 07:42 am: Edit

Thanks SPP! I did note the others, but thought I'd see the answer to the first question before asking any others.

By Francois Lemay (Princeton) on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 - 09:42 am: Edit

Question re Frax CWS Bpv values.
Its listed as 110/130 in C4.
Is this correct or a typo thinking it should be 130/110 ?

Thanks.

Cheers
Frank