Pete and I finished the game. Tholian loses to Gorn on T7, turned the wrong direction on T6 and got tractored. Then ate an enveloped S at the start of 7 with too many down shields.

Dana

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, July 15, 2019 - 03:11 pm: Edit

bakija (GRN) over madman (THN)

So we start T6 at R8, both facing C, with some web between us, adjacent to the Tholian. I have a 2 box #1 and a down #5 and a dozen in; he has 1 box #1 and #2, down #6, 5 or 6 internals. There is an S torp about to hit the web, but it is probably a pseudo.

T6: I move 8 till 8 then 11, hold an armed plasma S, start an F tube, rearm phasers and batteries, have a point in HET, a couple in tractors, I have been holding a wild weasel since the start of the game. Tholian moves 10/15, rearms phasers and batteries and web caster. He turns out through the web, facing me at R6 with his 1 box #6. I turn south, and then we both speed up at the same impulse, so I slip into R5, unless he HETs away. He does not, so he slips into R4. I fire an S bolt and 4P1. He fires the web caster. My bolt misses and my phasers are weak, but I do a handful of internals anyway. He casts a web that catches me, unless I do a second HET, but at least I'm only moving speed 11, so I can't break down or take damage. I just run into the web, he turns in at me. At some point this turn, he gets all his shuttles on the map. I'm stuck in the web, so I immediately decel. He ends up at R3, his 1 box #1 to my 15 or so box #3. I het another P1 in his face for a few internals. He shoots me with 7P1, rolls something like 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6. I take 8 or 9 in through my #3. He then has the choice of turning off to R2 (my #1 to his #5), or turning into R1. He turns in. I tractor him, which he does not fight. I launch some shuttles, he kills one of them, I TAC and get 2 more P1s in his ship for a dozen in, hitting the web caster. The rest of the turn is shuttles zinging me, shuttles being killed, us stuck in the web, me TACing. The web drops on impulse 29, but we are still at R1, my mostly full #6 facing his full #3. He has 4 shuttles around my ship, I have 1 shuttle in my hex. End of the turn, I fix an F tube (now at S and F tubes on ship), he fixes a couple shields boxes on his down shields.

T7: We are both speed zero. I finish an enveloper, keep him in tractor over the turn break, recharge guns and batteries, give up the weasel. Tholian moves 0 with some TACs, recharges phasers, has a bunch of reinforcement. I launch the enveloper and kill 3 of his shuttles. His shuttles kill my shuttle and do 8 more in, killing a plasma tube (now down to just the S tube thta had just fired). He TACs away, eats the enveloper for 12 internals (he had, like, 17 reinforcement up), shoots my #6 with all his phasers, but doesn't do internals. I blast his #4 with 5P1, do another 6 or so internals, and he resigns.

He coulda shot a few P3s into my #6 before the plasma hit (and killed them), but he forgot to do so, which would have scored 7 or 8 internals and possibly killed my last torp, but still, I had all the phasers in the world, he had no shields to speak of and most of his weapons were gone.

Great game vs excellent opponent!

By Norman Dizon (Normandizon) on Monday, July 15, 2019 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Awesome Game Peter and Dana! I have a few questions if you have time...

1) Peter wrote: "I het another P1 in his face for a few internals". I assume "het" is misspelled and should be either "fire" or "hit." Is that right? Or is this really "high energy turn?"

2) Peter wrote: "shuttles being killed, us stuck in the web, me TACing". When you say "us", I assume you mean just "you." The Tholian can't get stuck in their own web, right? Or did you mean something else?

3) You held a WW for 6 Turns against a Tholian. Was this to counter Suicide Shuttles? The Tholian has no other Seeking Weapons...

4) Dana said he turned the wrong way and got tractored. Peter said he had a choice of turning to R2 or R1. Dana went to R1 where the tractor was activated. If he went to R2 instead, would the outcome of the game have been different? You could have still tractored him at R2, right?

By Drew Klenotic (Tillek) on Monday, July 15, 2019 - 07:41 pm: Edit

Turn 4 was a turn of Hydrans making big circles, Feds making smaller circles, fighters dying, photons missing.

Well, just one photon... so next turn, looks like we'll have another "pass of the heavies" I'm thinking that will be the end of it... we shall see.

Tuesday, 6pm eastern.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, July 15, 2019 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Norman wrote:
>>1) Peter wrote: "I het another P1 in his face for a few internals". I assume "het" is misspelled and should be either "fire" or "hit." Is that right? Or is this really "high energy turn?" >>

Nah, I think this was "I get" that got auto corrected or something. "I get another P1 in his face".

>>2) Peter wrote: "shuttles being killed, us stuck in the web, me TACing". When you say "us", I assume you mean just "you." The Tholian can't get stuck in their own web, right? Or did you mean something else? >>

I tractored him at R1, so we were both essentially stuck in the web. I was the one stuck in the web, but as I was stuck, and I had him in a tractor, we were both stuck.

>>3) You held a WW for 6 Turns against a Tholian. Was this to counter Suicide Shuttles? The Tholian has no other Seeking Weapons... >>

Yep. I was being cagey. I figured at some point, it was likely that I'd be moving speed zero, and having a weasel to benefit from the EW shift would be handy. In the end, it turned out to be irrelevant.

>>4) Dana said he turned the wrong way and got tractored. Peter said he had a choice of turning to R2 or R1. Dana went to R1 where the tractor was activated. If he went to R2 instead, would the outcome of the game have been different? You could have still tractored him at R2, right?>>

I still woulda tractored him at R2, as he had zero battery or tractor power at that point. But the outcome was up in the air, as I would have been on his 14 box (or so) #5, and still stuck in the web. Him turning off to R2 was probably vastly better for him that what he did. But not a certain outcome.

By Norman Dizon (Normandizon) on Monday, July 15, 2019 - 08:41 pm: Edit

Thanks for the information Peter! I learn more every day from you guys.

Boy, I'd hate to face you in battle...
(but I do enjoy Lizard Soup)

By Paul Franz (Andromedan) on Monday, July 15, 2019 - 11:17 pm: Edit

Grim (ISC) defeats Andromedan (SEL)

Because the SEL was stupid and only did 2 points of damage on one battle pass waiting for a firing opportunity that never came.

Game was over after that. I just did not accept it.

By Andrew J Koch (Droid) on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 10:29 am: Edit

This is moving nicely. Good job guys!

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 12:57 pm: Edit

Paul (or Jean?),

Could you put a link to the tree on the top of the page?

Thanks!

By Paul Franz (Andromedan) on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 01:57 pm: Edit

The link to the tree is already there.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 06:28 pm: Edit

It is there, above the list of archived messages.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 07:24 pm: Edit

Heh. I am dumb. Thanks!

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 08:44 pm: Edit

Sapphire Star 1 R1:

Hydran (Klenotic) defeats Federation (Zero_G).

Thank you for the game Drew, that was a good one.

By Drew Klenotic (Tillek) on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 08:55 pm: Edit

Sorry... didn't see your post first. I really enjoyed the match. Looking forward to meeting you as an ally in a campaign game someday. ;)

It was a good fight. I never felt like I had it "in the bag" and I never felt like someone's "speed bump". I had worry and hope in somewhat equal measure.

Great fight.

Rescue operations are currently underway for Maverick and Iceman.

Looks like all four Hydrans made it out of round one.

By Andrew J Koch (Droid) on Thursday, July 18, 2019 - 10:20 am: Edit

Did Goose make it?

By Drew Klenotic (Tillek) on Thursday, July 18, 2019 - 07:58 pm: Edit

No man, he died back in 86 in the first Top Gun movie...

You've got to let him go, sir.

By Majead Farsi (Devil) on Saturday, July 20, 2019 - 06:32 pm: Edit

Bill defeats me in 2 turns. Good game but I need to play more and have some sort of a tactic .

good luck in next round Bill but if you roll the way you did in our game you won't need it.

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Monday, July 22, 2019 - 07:03 pm: Edit

At the end of Sapphire Star 1 R2, there could be a nice mix of ships going into R3, like the KLI, ISC, HYD, and GRN (or we could end up with four Hydrans).
Looking forward to observing the R2 games.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, July 25, 2019 - 08:35 am: Edit

R2 bakija (GRN) vs CadetStimpy (HYD)

We are starting Monday, 7/29, at 9:00pm ET/6:00pm PDT.

By Norman Dizon (Normandizon) on Thursday, July 25, 2019 - 12:58 pm: Edit

The whole Gorn Confederation will be watching your battle on Reptilian TV. Our Teeth and Tails are with you.

DO NOT LET US DOWN!!!

(or you will be demoted to Rat Cooking Duty)

By Drew Klenotic (Tillek) on Friday, July 26, 2019 - 09:48 pm: Edit

Unfortunately, we Hydrans won't be able to watch as SlingTV decided to drop Fox Sports Hydran-Capital.

By Seth Shimansky (Kingzilla) on Sunday, July 28, 2019 - 02:20 pm: Edit

2.4 BS KLI vs kingzilla HYD

game is on tonight 8 eastern Sunday the 28th

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, July 29, 2019 - 10:49 pm: Edit

2.1 bakija (GRN) over CadetStimpy (HYD)

T1: I move 17/24 with an enveloper and some reinforcement. Hydran moves 16/30/26. He just comes up the map, I come up the map. At R13, I launch an enveloper. He turns off. I kinda drift after him, get a R8 shot with 5P1 on his #5, roll bad for 6 damage, he stops 1 (maybe 2 general? I didn't check). I turn to follow, we end the turn at about R10.

T2: I move 17/24, rearm my phasers and start rearming a plasma. He moves 26 most of the turn (possibly all turn?). He just plays keep away from the plasma till it evaporates and he is near the East wall. I finally turn, so he turns in the opposite direction. I keep closing in on him as he runs down the east wall. Impulse 31, I get R5, my #2 off his #3. I fire F bolt, 5P1. Bolt hits, I roll well on phasers, do 30 damage, score 6 in, hitting a P1, warp, and hull. Impulse 32, I turn off, he HETs right at me. We end at R5.

T3: I move 26/23/12/6, put power in tractor, pay for a HET, recharge my phasers and keep arming plasmas. Hydran moves speed 27/20 something. Impulse 2, I HET across his bow and get my armed S+F in arc. He slips to his left, and I launch 50 real plasma at him that he can't really avoid. I end up R2 centerlined to him (my #2) when he is compelled forward and the plasma is going to hit him in the face. I fire 3P1, P3, roll well, do 22 damage to his #1. He shoots up my plasma with 4P1 and a Gat, saving himself 19 damage. Next impulse, I move so we are R1, my #3 to his #6. He takes 18 internals through his 8 box #1, losing a couple phasers, a HB, a fusion. He launches both fighters and shoots me with a gat, 2 standard fusions, and a standard HB. He rolls well on the fusions, hits with the HB, does 30+10 to my #5, killing a few phasers and some power. I end up directly behind him as he slows down to 20 and so I launch a fast F out of my other side S tube which is now in arc. He turns off, I kill one fighter and cripple the other with 4 phasers, fire a P1 at his #4 (that the plasma will hit) for 7 damage, so next impulse he is gonna take 3 more in through his #4. Dan resigns here.

The Hydran has 3 down shields and about 27 internals (including 3P1, HB, fusion) and the fighters are dead. I have one down shield, 14 internals, and haven't lost any plasma tubes yet.

Good, quick game!

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - 12:10 am: Edit

Thanks for the write up of the battle, I missed that one, good quick game.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 - 08:47 am: Edit

So thinking about that game, I was centerlined at R2 from the Hydran on the impulse before my plasma hit him in the face.

If Dan just shot me then, I'd have taken:

~24 from 2 gats.
~20 from 4P1 (1 was blown off on the previous turn)
~15 from 4 fusions (all 4 were armed)

For about 59, followed by a Hellbore (which could have been overloaded off of batteries; he only had one armed) which, if OL, is another 13 in. So I'd have taken, like, 24+13 in (assuming I use 5 batteries on my #6 for reinforcement, which at that point, I probably do), for 37 in in two volleys, which is pretty brutal.

In return, I'd hit him in the face for 50 on a 8 box shield and 2 remaining batteries, so 40 internals in one volley.

After the smoke clears, I have, say, 37 internals, Hydran has 46. But I'm probably down a few more phasers, making dealing with the 2 fighters trickier and can't launch a fast F (as I use all 5 batteries on reinforcement probably). So I'm still marginally a head here, but less so.