I was surprised to read that the Klingons managed to destroy 5 Tholian YBS and 2-3 YDK (equivalent to their entire pre-war base network). An impressive feat with EY ships.

Did the Klingons even come close to doing that much damage in the General War?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - 10:41 pm: Edit

I kinda doubt it since Steve Petrick isn't quite finished (he needs one day) and he was not at work Tuesday (due to the weather) and very likely won't be at work Wednesday (due to the weather getting worse). But as soon as we can all get to the office, it will happen.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Wednesday, February 17, 2021 - 08:44 am: Edit

Douglas,

That seems high given the Tholian technological superiority in the EY period, but there is a factor that can explain it. Per YG10.41, web deteriorates at twice the standard rate until Y121. That means maintaining the outermost ring would cost 60 points of power per turn, plus another 36 points to maintain the middle ring; a total of 96 points just to maintain the outer two strands. Given that the Tholians have nothing larger than a destroyer, and not many of them, they probably didn't actually have any three-tier wedding cakes, only two-tier at most. And some may have had only a single tier, maintained by the base itself. If web deterioration were at "standard" rates during EY, I suspect few if any of the bases would have fallen

By Charles Gray (Cgray45) on Monday, March 01, 2021 - 07:11 pm: Edit

Oh, just a quick question--I have a tholian centered campaign that may start running around the 12th, but it's gonna probably be using a lot of "small boys" like police ships and such, so I was going to be using R4T.

Should I still pencil it in for the 12th or just postpone it until april? Given that Texas has been hit hard by the weather, I can understand. (All it'd mean is that I just have to pull out my juggernaut invasion papers for March, it's no big deal).

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, March 01, 2021 - 10:31 pm: Edit

I think it will be released very soon.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, March 02, 2021 - 05:51 pm: Edit

At this point R4T is finished except for two things.
Simone needs to come in (maybe tomorrow) and finalize the covers for the separate books.
Shawn needs to fix a problem with the color SSD book.
We should get this thing uploaded Friday, but the last time I predicted a specific release day we had the biggest snowstorm/coldsnap in three decades right on top of Leanna's vaccine reaction.
So I won't predict a time.

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Wednesday, March 03, 2021 - 11:20 am: Edit

Murphy's Law; "Anything that can go wrong will do so and AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME."

Got my March budget planned and will be placing an order when it's ready to go.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, March 03, 2021 - 06:17 pm: Edit

Simone is here right now doing the covers, the only missing part, so I think R4T will be on the PDF stores by this weekend.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Wednesday, March 03, 2021 - 07:17 pm: Edit

Thank you, Simone!

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, March 03, 2021 - 10:33 pm: Edit

RISKING FATE! Simone did the covers. In theory, Leanna will add them to the books tomorrow and give the flashdrive to Jean Thursday night. They should get uploaded Friday and be available for purchase no later than Saturday.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, March 05, 2021 - 02:53 am: Edit

We gave Jean the chip with R4T today, so maybe she will upload it Friday.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, March 05, 2021 - 06:15 am: Edit

Ooops, I just sent Jean the promised product description for use on the PDF stores.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, March 05, 2021 - 11:43 am: Edit

What types of bribes does Jean take? For purely academic purposes, mind you.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, March 05, 2021 - 04:31 pm: Edit

Jean says she got the last info (why cannot I manage to get everything done the first time?) and has sent it to W23. She is uploading it to DT now. Of course, it will take 2d12 hours for it to appear on those stores, but it is on the way.

As before, this is the PDF version. It is as complete as we can make it. When the counters arrive (4-8 weeks, no predictions) Steve Petrick will check for any questions/errata, update the PDF book, and have Leanna start printing and shipping hard copies.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, March 05, 2021 - 07:46 pm: Edit

It's up on W23 and purchased!!!!

By Mike Dowd (Mike_Dowd) on Friday, March 05, 2021 - 07:55 pm: Edit

My only question is if one has the Tholian MSSB, would the "rulebook" portion of the module be duplicating what they already have?

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, March 05, 2021 - 08:13 pm: Edit

Mike, there are 4 scenarios and, crucially, the MSC and other Annexes in the rulebook that aren't in the MSSB.

By Mike Dowd (Mike_Dowd) on Friday, March 05, 2021 - 08:35 pm: Edit

Thanks!

Getting them both then.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, March 06, 2021 - 02:17 am: Edit

Just purchased both the R4T Rulebook and SSD book, and I am ecstatic about the cool stuff the Tholians got.

But... much as it pains me to say this, the BPV for the NHX (Neo-Tholian Advanced Heavy Cruiser - with collar) is too low. The basic NCX has a BPV of 240. The NHX is listed as... 245. This is... uhhh... an AMAZINGLY good deal, considering everything the collar adds. For comparison, the NLX (Neo-Tholian Advanced Light Cruiser) is 206 BPV and the NMX (NLX with collar) is 226, a much more reasonable cost for the upgrade.

Recommendation - NHX should have BPV changed from 245 to 260.

One lesser issue - the Spider-IIP squadron (on page 66 of the SSD book) has the wrong phaser listing. It lists only a 360° phaser-3. The Spider-IIP should also have an FA phaser-2.

Overall, though, I am really happy with this. The Tholians got several things I have wanted for them for a long time, such as a destroyer leader and a fast cruiser. And both the DDL and CAF are historical, rather than conjectural!

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Saturday, March 06, 2021 - 08:15 am: Edit

> Recommendation - NHX should have BPV changed from 245 to 260.

I note that the 260 is what is supported by the Collar entry in (R7.216), which notes that the lack of a collar reduces its BPV by 20 points - at which point the ship is, by (R7.205), the NCX.

Do we have an after action topic for line item reports?

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, March 06, 2021 - 09:13 am: Edit

I think I found another error in the SSD book. Light dreadnoughts generally have their movement costs reduced to 1¹/₄ but the Neo-Tholian Light Dreadnought (page 75 of the SSD book) stil shows movement cost of 1¹/₂. I believe this is an error since the Rulebook confirms the ship is "fast" and provides no text to support the 1¹/₂ movement cost. That movement cost is so "non-standard" for light dreadnoughts that I believe it would have been specifically mentioned if it were intended. Note also that the Neo-Tholian Light Battleship (page 76 in the SSD book) does have the reduced movement cost associated with that hull type.

Further note on the NDL; the BPV is shown as 224, which is probably too low if the MC is reduced to 1¹/₄, which I believe it should be. The BPV takes into account the lost systems, relative to the standard NDN, but not the (presumed) reduced movement cost, which improves the ship combat performance.

Recommenation - Reduce NDL movement cost to 1¹/₄ but increase BPV.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, March 06, 2021 - 09:37 pm: Edit

Aww... I hate it when, as a Tholian player, I have to point out instances when I think the BPV of a Tholian ship needs to be increased. But sometimes (see my 2:17 AM post above) it's necessary. I think I've found another one, the DL (page 72 in the R4T SSD book; the Archeo-Tholian Light Dreadnought. Unlike the NDL (see 9:13 AM post above) the DL does get it's movement cost reduced, along with losing some weapons. But since the DH movement cost was only 1¹/₃ to begin with, rather than 1¹/₂, the reduction in movement cost is slight compared to other light dreadnoughts. And presumably because of this, it loses fewer systems to achieve that reduced movement cost. So far so good. It makes sense. The problem is the BPV reduction (from the base DH) is far too much, resulting in a BPV for the DL that is that is too low. The DL has a base BPV of only 210. And even the full webcaster-refitted DLW is only 235. Given the capabilities of the ship, I think those could be increased by at least 15, and the Tholian players would have no legitimate complaints. And I say this as a Tholian player.

Recommendation - Increase base BPV of Archeo-Tholian DL to 225.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Sunday, March 07, 2021 - 10:34 am: Edit

SSD Book page 66 - Spider-IIP (R7.F6) data table is missing the 1xPh-2-FA.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Sunday, March 07, 2021 - 07:24 pm: Edit

Rulebook - The SH scenario numbers for all of these have been used in R12 and Y3. I believe the next available number is (SH271.0) but ADB will need to confirm.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Monday, March 08, 2021 - 02:36 pm: Edit

Page 44 of the Rulebook, not the SSD book; the headings for the columns in the chart seem to have been "double printed" and not quite aligned. Chart is usable, it's just a little distracting.

Same page; the abbreviation for the NEO-THOLIAN ADVANCED MEDIUM CRUISER is given as "NLM". But in the text description (page 32) and in the SSD book (page 61) it is "NMX".