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Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board: Star Fleet Battles: Rules Questions: Questions on Ships: Archive through March 26, 2021
By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 - 02:18 pm: Edit

Thomas Mathews:

F-101s are allowed to replace F-111s on fighter carriers that operate F-111s.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 - 04:22 pm: Edit

It's really not as simple as it sounds. F111s dock externally. F101s dock internally. While the substitution is allowed on the F&E level, the SSDs of the two ships are not the same.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Thursday, February 11, 2021 - 10:03 pm: Edit

Why do all the disruptor-armed Monitors have FX firing arcs except for the Kzintis (FA)?

By John M. Williams (Jay) on Friday, February 12, 2021 - 10:27 am: Edit

Is the BPV for the Romulan FarHawk-B (FAB - R4.129) correct at 166/120? It seems surprisingly low, particularly the combat factor. For comparison, the very similar Superhawk-B (SUB - R429) is 196/181. I don't see anything that would explain a 61 point difference between the two. Maybe 5-10 points, but not 61.

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Friday, February 12, 2021 - 04:19 pm: Edit

Nick,

Doctrine. ;-)

But for the Kzinti's, Disruptors are "secondary" weapons, like the Drone's are for Klingons.

By MarkSHoyle (Bolo) on Friday, February 12, 2021 - 06:54 pm: Edit

Nick,
What Scott said, plus the design of the forward part of the ships and mount placement...
Early Kzinti ships didn't even have FA, Disrupter arcs were RF/LF.....

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Friday, February 12, 2021 - 11:32 pm: Edit

Scott,
Yes, they are secondary weapons, that's why they have 4 instead of six. But doesn't explain the arc.

Mark
Well, I guess now that Shapeways is going to give everyone a different Monitor design...

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Friday, February 12, 2021 - 11:38 pm: Edit

If Shapeways is going to give everyone a different Monitor design...

... Will an updated Module R1 have new outlines for everyone's Monitors?

(For my 0.02 Quatloos worth, I'd buy it!! :))

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, February 13, 2021 - 03:44 pm: Edit

I agree with John Williams that the BPV for the FarHawk-B is too low, especially the 120 "combat" BPV. Suppose the fighter qroup has been completely eliminated. You still have a ship that generates 38 points of power (with 3 reserve) and has shields of 35-28-24-24, which is better than the great majority of non-X MC1 cruisers, especially if you don't count the BCHs. It has an inferior phaser suite for its size (3 phaser-1, 4 phaser-3) but has the full toroedo suite of 2 Type-S and two Type-F. Even with the weak phasers, it fights much heavier than 120 BPV.

By way of comparison, the FireHawk-K generates two more power, plus two more reserve power, and has 4 more phaser-1s. It costs 179 BPV. Does anyone think that, even without fighters, the FarHawk-B is 59 points inferior?

By Tim Longacre (Timl) on Saturday, February 20, 2021 - 06:34 am: Edit

Would someone please point me to the where the correct explosion strength and command rating is, or tell mewhat they are, for the Andromedan Mobile Operations Sled? The information I have is 30(?!!) and 20 respectively from both R8 and G2.

By wayne douglas power (Wayne) on Saturday, February 20, 2021 - 08:25 am: Edit

Tim Longacre,

Those numbers do seem rather high, however It is also in G3 as 30 explosion strength and 20 Command rating.
Reading the text in Module R8 (R10.62) the MOS had many mining, and cargo sleds under its control for Asteroid and Planet/Moon mining operations, and "Beginning in Y176 ships of this class were encountered operating squadrons of Mobile weapons Platforms".

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Saturday, February 20, 2021 - 12:03 pm: Edit

Tim - I think this is the total including the MWPs.

A MWP has an explosion strength of 4, and a command rating of 3. 6x4 = 24, 6x3=18.

Removing the aggregation 30 - 24 = 6, and 20-18 = 2, which seems more reasonable. Although I would probably use 3 for the command rating to be in line with the rest of the sleds command ratings.

This is probably an errata item for R8 and G3.

By Tim Longacre (Timl) on Saturday, February 20, 2021 - 03:11 pm: Edit

Thank you both. About 10 minutes after I posted this I thought about if the MWPs were docked that they would be combined into the explosion strength and just removing them in order to get a more realist explosion strength for just the MOS.
As for the command rating, that's insanely high but given its mission I'm not complaining (I'm an Andro player, so...)

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Sunday, February 21, 2021 - 01:45 pm: Edit

CR of 20 just doesn’t exist in the game/universe, let alone anything that high on a platform that small. Attrition unit conveyers (carriers/PFTs) often don’t have an increase in CR, especially on smaller platforms.

Per (G35.621) the MWPs operate just as satellite ships unless otherwise noted, and I’m not seeing any exceptions to the procedures of (G19.31), which adds the explosion strength of any Sat Ships that cannot escape to the mothership’s at the moment the explosion happens - that’s not pre-figured into the mothership’s listed explosion strength.

Per (R10.62), the MOS launches and lands the MWPs from external bays as PF’s. While there is not a formal reference to any rules in (K0.0), even (K2.47) has docked PFs being destroyed when their tender is destroyed (and nothing about the PFs not exploding normally for a docked unit) - so pretty much the same net result.

IMO is clear the current values on the MSC are glaringly obvious typos, and pending official errata the sporting thing to do would be to use values for other sleds (Explosion 7, CR 3), maybe CR 4 as a “police flagship” equivalent.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, February 22, 2021 - 04:49 am: Edit

Steve Petrick needs to look into that CR20 command rating.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Monday, February 22, 2021 - 10:57 am: Edit

Dropped a line item in the G4 topic for this!

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, February 22, 2021 - 01:42 pm: Edit

From the Module R8 after action reports:

(R10.62) MOS: The ship’s explosion strength is 7, it has a command rating of 3. The MWPs are carried on external links as is noted on the SSD and dock and undock by the same procedures as PFs (K2.3). The MOS cannot launch or recover an MWP by transporter, as it is Satellite Ship (G19.414), even though nominally operating satellites of its own.

By Tim Longacre (Timl) on Monday, February 22, 2021 - 04:13 pm: Edit

Thank you very much :)

By Douglas Saldana (Dsal) on Friday, March 19, 2021 - 12:41 am: Edit

Rule (R1.PF8) mentions the existence of "heavy prospecting shuttles". Is this a two-space prospecting shuttle? What product is it in?

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, March 19, 2021 - 11:30 am: Edit

The MFC in Module G3 doesn't show any such shuttle, I suspect that it is as yet unpublished (or else has been in a Captain's Log published since G3).

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, March 19, 2021 - 11:54 am: Edit

Douglas Saldana:

I will have to admit that there is not currently any such thing. I would have to conclude that it is a heavy shuttle frame, bu beyond that it is not something I can try to define right away.

By Paul Young (Pyoung) on Friday, March 26, 2021 - 01:27 pm: Edit

Does anyone know the towing cost of a skid or ducktail? For example, if it was being moved around by an HTG or some such.

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Friday, March 26, 2021 - 04:48 pm: Edit

OOOOOHHHHH! GOOD question, Paul!

Checked Annex #7L (Unit Towing Costs) and didn't see it listed (although I might have missed something). Were I to ever have to make a ruling, I'd say that a Skid or Ducktail would cost as much to tow as a Tholian Pack/ISC DPT Cargo Pack/Romulan Skyhawk Cargo Pack; 0.1667.

HOWEVER, I do recognize that I'm about the WORST person to make rulings, so PLEASE take it with a grain of salt. :)

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, March 26, 2021 - 06:45 pm: Edit

Jeff Anderson has a good stopgap. I am afraid I will have to look into it before I can make a ruling. Although I did go to Annex #7l to start as Jeff Anderson (and no doubt Paul Young did too).

By Douglas Saldana (Dsal) on Friday, March 26, 2021 - 09:56 pm: Edit

Annex 8B shows web casters as being tech that is available to pirates in the Tholian Home Galaxy. Is that correct? I would think the Tholians would spare no expense in destroying anyone who got ahold of their technology.

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