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By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 12:36 am: Edit

Thank you! Dropping the first few things I caught:

For the W23 PDF of the rulebook, at least, the kerning on the text in the (R4.J) alternative history section is very inconsistent, with lots of cases of letters in a word actually touching in the page (e.g. "than" having no space at all between the "a" and "n"). Also, are the "Technology" sections of a given timeline entry meant to be a different font? Let me know if screenshots would be helpful.

The actual rules sections (ship descriptions, scenarios, etc) look to have the text formatted properly, though there are cases where the black header bar across the top of the page and for the individual scenario headings are cut "short", not extending up from the top of the white text).

There appears to be no B-refit of the standard BattleHawk, just its variants? Is that intentional, or does it exist somewhere else I have overlooked?

(R4.J42) uses (R1.PF1) when referring to Centurion PFs, this should be (R4.PF1).

(R4.J42) description of mech-links (4 repair capable mech-links in the the rear and two non-capable in the boom) does not matched the SSD (group of six repair-capable).

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 12:59 am: Edit

Also, are the "Technology" sections of a given timeline entry meant to be a different font?
YES, THEY ARE.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 01:01 am: Edit

Jean, is this the topic I created earlier, or did we both create one? I only see one.

By Jean Sexton Beddow (Jsexton) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 09:37 am: Edit

It is the topic you created. I fixed it since it didn't have a way to see or add messages.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 10:32 am: Edit

Ah, I wondered if I had flipped that switch. It was late and I was sleepy.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 10:46 am: Edit

The BH-B was already published somewhere else, thus not included here. It should exist and be available.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 11:46 am: Edit

Ah thank you Mike - I just searched the R4J rulebook and found the BHB in the MSC and it's in CL51. There's also several ships in CL39 and its supplement. Perhaps a mention of those issues could be added to (Z59.1)?

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 03:50 pm: Edit

I tried to get the "CL" ships included in R4J! But, at least they are still available somewhere.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 04:05 pm: Edit

No worries, I think it would just help to have a note somewhere more prominent than buried in the MSC that some ships are in CL as well as other modules

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 05:49 pm: Edit

I haven't been able to read the released book yet, but it occurs to me that we may have completely missed what fighters the Gorns use in the ALT5 history.

My suggestion: They just buy unmodified Romulan fighters and use them with Gerlunian pilots!

SPP probably just did a spit-take with that suggestion, but I really love it!

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 06:16 pm: Edit

ALT5 is just two paragraphs, and refers to Paravian ALT3 from C6, where the Gorn are allies of a militarized ISC - so I would imagine they use ISC fighters in a fashion similarly to how the Lyrans used Klingon fighters.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 06:48 pm: Edit

Sorry. Meant ALT3. My bad. The Reflections one.

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Friday, April 16, 2021 - 07:16 pm: Edit

Oh, that doesn't mention Gorn fighters either, but yeah, in that case using Romulan fighters is the pretty clear result.

Hrm, I'm gonna need to pick up the latest GURPS PD material sometime soon.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Saturday, April 17, 2021 - 11:56 am: Edit

Well, crap. I missed an item.

P12, ALT5, second paragraph: "What their Eagle-series ships would look like ..." should be "What their Hawk-series ships would look like ..."

I apologize for missing that one.

One other note:
P9, ATL3, Death of Surak, second and third paragraph: The comparison should be between the Warlike-Vulcans and the Romulans, not the Logic-Romulans and the Romulans. The point is that, while the Warlike-Vulcans have the same overall philosophies of the Romulans, they are not as paranoid and their philosophy has been diluted and modulated somewhat because of the "great middle ground" that stays on Vulcan instead of fleeing. So, unlike the Romulans, the Warlike-Vulcans can work with others.
(The next entry Logic-Romulans Foundation gets the names correct.)

By John Wyszynski (Starsabre) on Saturday, April 17, 2021 - 03:18 pm: Edit

R4J B&W SSD Page 20 - Change "Y ROYALBIRD" to "Y-ROYALBIRD" to match other pages. - Wyszynski 4 April 2021

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, April 17, 2021 - 03:52 pm: Edit

Gary Carney asked for the symbol for the Federal Imperium with the warlike Romulans. This what I came up with. A symetrical variant of the Fed arrowhead, with a four-pointed star (Human, Vulcan, Andorian, and whoever the other one was) and of course crossed swords.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Saturday, April 17, 2021 - 07:27 pm: Edit

Logical Romulans.

I'm gonna guess Orions are the fourth.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, April 17, 2021 - 08:18 pm: Edit

Warlike Vulcans is what I meant.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, April 17, 2021 - 08:39 pm: Edit

If going by the founding species only, the fourth point of the star might either be the Rigellians or the Alpha-Centaurans. More likely the former, if the latter were considered to be an adjunct of sorts to the Terrans - which they are more or less treated as for the "historical" Feds in F&E terms, at least economically-speaking. The Orions didn't join until a few decades later.

Here's a thought: perhaps the various major worlds in the Federal Imperium use the same logo, but with a picture of their own home planet in place of the circle? There are a number of colour planet images in GURPS Federation that could be used in this instance. While the "Federal" level could place the central circular star field from this wallpaper image - or perhaps from this one - in order to represent the Imperium at large.

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On a side note, I could picture a future Omega product enabling the "Federal-Imperial Colonies of Aurora" (or whatever they would be called in this timeilne) to use their fast patrol ships from Module Omega #5, in keeping with the Federal Imperium's use of Thunderbolt PFs.

For that matter, it would be interesting if the Orion-hull CR Throne of Ozymondas showed up there with an all-Paravian crew... only to promptly defect to the Paravians of Omega as soon as they learn of the latter group's existence.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Sunday, April 18, 2021 - 01:09 am: Edit

Maybe the fourth point changes over time? When it starts it represents the Rigellians, but with their constant foot-dragging and borderline resistance they are eventually surpassed by the much more enthusiastic Orions. By the time of the unified fleet (which, again, it was the Rigellians who were trying to thwart), the Orions are the fourth stalwart.

Or, give it five points so it represents all five founders: Terrans, Alpha-Centaurans, Andorians, Rigellians, and Vulcans.

Just spitballing ...

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, April 18, 2021 - 11:47 am: Edit

I can do one with five or six or seven points.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Sunday, April 18, 2021 - 12:23 pm: Edit

On a completely different subject, please add the eight ships from Captain's Log to the SSD book. I didn't question it at first, but after seeing the Tholians module, I believe it is important for them to be included. There are two from CL51, four from CL39, and (most importantly) two from CL39 Supplemental.

The reason is because all CL SSDs have a tenuous status, if not being inherently unofficial, until they are included in a module. And that goes doubly for anything in a Supplemental file. By leaving them out of the SSD book, it makes them appear to be "less official" and more questionable than the ships that have all been formally published.

In addition, adding those eight ships would only bring the total number of ships up to 63, which is still significantly fewer than published in the Tholians module. Even if you discount the revised SSDs, the 63 is still fewer. So adding them isn't going to make the SSD book too big. Plus the SSDs already exists. They don't have to be created, just copied.

Again, I wouldn't have brought this up now if this exact thing wasn't already done in the Tholian module.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Sunday, April 18, 2021 - 12:27 pm: Edit

On the center symbol, I'd say go with five points, as that indicates the founders.

Also, for the swords, can you just have one, centered, point down behind the symbol? Or is that just too close to use?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, April 18, 2021 - 03:50 pm: Edit

If those CapLog ships are not alternate timeline ships they do NOT belong here. A look at the index seems to indicate none of those caplog ships are alternate timeline ships.