So Peter Crashed and Burned while fighting CrashandBurn?

Mind Boggling...!

By Norman Dizon (Ichaborn) on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 - 03:38 pm: Edit

Hmmmm...looking at the Wyn Auxiliary Battlecruiser, I find Shield #3 has 24 boxes. So...

"and then when my stack of 70 plasma hits his #3, it takes down his shield, finds some reinforcement, and does a grand total of 16 internals, hitting 11 hull/cargo, a control box, a warp, 2P3, and a disruptor."

means that the Wyn had 30 points of Reinforcement??
(70-24-16 internals = 30 reinforcement)

By Timothy Linden (Timlinden) on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 - 03:53 pm: Edit

My thoughts on the Orion:
Having played the Orion in the old platinum hat tourneys at Origins for 10+ years, and also a few C5N, I do not think it is too overpowering. Nor do I believe it has won many (or even more than a couple) major tourneys over that timeframe.

The Orion’s main advantage is that it does both work and play differently than most other ships. And so battling it means having and knowing the tactics you need to fight it effectively, which are likely rather different than for non-Orion opponents. Those I played who did not would generally lose. But those who did would win often enough.

The Orion’s significant power and maneuver advantage are major points to deal with. I have actually HET’d 5 times in one tournament game. But also realizing how the Orion handles damage matters too. While a smaller ship, it can often brick away that disadvantage (though also lose quickly if an opponent manages to avoid the brick). It can also generally take 30 odd internals and still be very able to fight, especially against opponents who also took a reasonably equal amount of damage. The hellbore/drone padding works nicely, and also both ways – I will take hellbore hits to keep the drones if we are doing lots of internals to each other. Still, with all that once the Orion’s stuffing is beat out of it, everything left is power and weapons. So any more internals matter a lot, and power means two less next turn not just one. Finishing it off can be hard (as it can be difficult to get down shield, let alone one that is not reinforced), but it can go from 40% combat efficiency to zero really fast.

I do not think the Orion really has a bad matchup. Especially when it can pick two packages and choose which to use. That likely would be the easiest tweak down for it (get only one package), if it was actually needed. Though I find the HHgBB package does work adequately versus most anything.

The only ship I might put the Orion at a disadvantage versus is the Klingon. I lost the most versus that ship (well, other than the busted Andro). Next is actually the Gorn, mostly because Peter Bakija has a winning record versus me. Being a much better player and all! Lyran/LDR may be 5-5. Most others 6-4, likely a 7-3 for the Orion vs. the Kzinti. The Orion is a terrible matchup for the ISC – I’d put that one as a 9-1 for the Orion. I find it interesting that some think the Fed is advantaged versus the Orion. The Fed really only has one path to victory – manage a R2 shot (not trivial, even if not all that hard with careful maneuver) and then hit with all 4 photons. Which is slightly less than 50%. Having a G rack certainly boosts the Fed here a bunch given the Orion really wants a R1 alpha swap, but I’m not sure I’d go below 6-4 Orion. I had not lost to a Fed before doing so at the 2019 Council of Five Nations. And I am rather sure I would not have if the two R2 shots were only 3 photon hits.

Hellbores are also rather vital to the Orion in my opinion. Nothing else does as much damage, as effectively. Which makes a significant difference in many later game positions.

Tim Linden.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 - 04:07 pm: Edit

>>means that the Wyn had 30 points of Reinforcement??
(70-24-16 internals = 30 reinforcement)>>

The WYN shot the plasma with all his phasers and rolled well (see the part where I said "He slips away a little, shoots up my plasma with all his phasers, rolls well," :-), knocking 24 points off the warheads (he shot each plasma with 3 or 4 phasers--4xP1, gatling, 3xP3). Which is 70, -24=46 damage. He had 6 reinforcement (probably 1 left over from allocation and 5 batteries). That results in 16 mostly irrelevant internals.

By Norman Dizon (Ichaborn) on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 - 05:00 pm: Edit

Ah, I see!

Thanks for the clarification, Peter.

By Ronald J. Brimeyer (Captainron) on Tuesday, November 23, 2021 - 09:10 pm: Edit

captainron over Kingzilla. I got lucky when the 1st volley of 20 internals took out HB Fus 3 p-1s and a gat.

By Paul Franz (Andromedan) on Thursday, November 25, 2021 - 04:03 pm: Edit

Game 2.2
Matchup: Droid WAX (HBgD) vs. Andromedan AND
Date: December 1st, 2021
Time: 7:00pm EST

By Ronald J. Brimeyer (Captainron) on Thursday, December 02, 2021 - 08:18 pm: Edit

captainron over Madman in 4 turns. We did a R1 exchange on Turn 2. He did 41 plus 60 from HBs. For volleys of 11 and 30. then after Hetting he hit me with last p-3 for 2 more. I lost 2 Disr, 2 Drone racks, 2 P-1s, 4 P-3s and 9 power. I did 88 to a 17 point brick netting 41 in. 2 p-3, 1 p-1, 3 Imps, and 10 Warp. After burning 1 warp on turn 1 and 2 on turn 2 Dana was left with only 11 warp to fight with. He also had some bad dice vs drones and took 1 Type I drone on the #3 and #4 shields. This allowed me to get a R2 shot at a 12 point shield on turn 4. Missed with the disr but did 26 with 4 p-1s and 2 repaired p-3s. He was left with just 2 warp plus getting 1 repaired warp at EOT.

Dana played well. Overall I had above average phaser dice and he had below average.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, December 03, 2021 - 11:22 am: Edit

Any updates on 2.2 (WAX vs AND)?

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, December 03, 2021 - 04:56 pm: Edit

I have sent an E-mail. asking for the status.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, December 03, 2021 - 05:26 pm: Edit

Andy koch says he has yielded the game to Paul because he missed the date to play (Wednesday). I am not Hppy with this, I would like them to have played, but this moves Paul Franz to the next level and we did allow extra time for Than. ksgiving. The fault is ultimately mine for not riding herd better. Andy is normally reliable from past experience and just did not find the time in this case. We can look forward to future competitions with him.

By Paul Franz (Andromedan) on Friday, December 03, 2021 - 10:14 pm: Edit

Steve,
I have advanced myself and I will schedule my game against John.

By Andy Koch (Droid) on Saturday, December 04, 2021 - 01:12 pm: Edit

Not to worry Steve it's all on me.
I habitually reschedule. A combination of ADHD and SFB being a lower priority than it once was.

By Paul Franz (Andromedan) on Wednesday, December 08, 2021 - 06:17 pm: Edit

Game 3.1
Matchup: CrashAndBurn WAX (gHBD) vs. Andromedan AND
Date: December 8th, 2021
Time: 8:30pm EST

By Paul Franz (Andromedan) on Saturday, December 11, 2021 - 03:58 pm: Edit

Game 3.1 (Continuation)
Matchup: CrashAndBurn WAX (gHBD) vs. Andromedan AND
Date: December 11th, 2021
Time: 7:00pm EST

By Ronald J. Brimeyer (Captainron) on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 - 06:15 pm: Edit

Final scheduled for 10 a.m. EST on Saturday 12/17.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 - 07:59 pm: Edit

What happened with the WAX vs the Andro?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 - 12:20 am: Edit

He fought the WYN and the WYN won,
he fought the WYN and the WYN won!

By Joshua Ivan Driscol (Gfb) on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 - 02:10 pm: Edit

I heard tractors were involved but no details. I assume the WYN tried tractoring the Krait and was successful.

I heard that the WYN held fire at range 3 but nobody I've talked to saw the conclusion of the battle.

I look forward to hearing how it ends.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 - 06:17 pm: Edit

And SVC wins the thread today!

:-)

By Paul Franz (Andromedan) on Thursday, December 16, 2021 - 08:12 pm: Edit

The WYN tried to tractor my Andromedan and lost the tractor. Thank you TR beams.

The WYN got enough internals later in the game to wipe both TR beams and all the batteries and which point the game was over.

I will go over the game on the podcast. (I record the screen of all my games these days)