Ignore the last sentence pls, it's confusing and superfluous.

By Gregory S Flusche (Vandar) on Thursday, January 09, 2025 - 06:47 pm: Edit

I used to play ancients. Miniature war gaming. Was a lot of fun. Played in a lot of tournament games. You win by causing the other army to rout the field. You gained points for the units routed are broken at the end of the time limit. Nothing for Your units left on the field. You had to play aggressively to win. If you waited for the other player to attack. They will attack where You are weak.

I played the low countries when I fist stated playing. A whole lot of pike men. hard to kill but hard to attack with. I was never routed from the field. I lost when my few cavalry and skirmishers were routed. They never did take out as much as they cost. I switched to Germen Princes. More knights and skirmishers and did much better.

I put this out there. When a judge (if I was a judge) I would look at damage done to each ship. How many seekers had been launched and weapons fired.

I play Romulans. I love the old King Eagle. Cloak are die is about it. However, I cannot win if I wait for the other guy to overrun me under cloak and fire his alpha and maybe take out half a shield. Then uncloak and let him eat my full alpha. A good player would not do that. I should lose that battle when time runs out.

Turney play in SFB is set up. Both ships weapon status 3. Ready for that battle run. You can fake it pull over for a long-range pass. A plasma ballet or a full blown over run. That is a how the duel should be played out. If you corner dodge to overload your photons. Cloak as I do sometimes hoping to catch an enveloper or scatter pack. Then come out next turn at speed to engage.

Lots of tactics: But remember you win by forcing the enemy to disengage are blow them up. Not hold out until reinforcements arrive to bail you out

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Thursday, January 09, 2025 - 10:16 pm: Edit

A couple years ago, I was watching an X-Wing tournament a good friend was playing in when I saw him do something I found offensive: slow play. He got a couple hit in and did damage to one of the enemy fighters. Then he started BS'ing with the other player, him-hawing about what to do, fiddling with the dial acting like he was confused which on went to which ship, even dropping dice on the floor. Anything to eat up time until the round was over and claim the win.

Because I wasn't playing, I didn't feel it was my place to say anything. But his actions did not go unnoticed as he tried to do the same thing the net round and got caught. The judge gave him a warning, then second time picked a random ship and rolled four dice attack against it with a warning the net time he'd lose the fighter with the highest pilot rating. It did not get to that third strike......


Garth L. Getgen

By Ronald J. Brimeyer (Captainron) on Friday, January 10, 2025 - 02:05 pm: Edit

Mr. Cole, I did not have your e-mail address so I have just sent a much more detailed e-mail to Mr. Petrick on this matter. I asked him to forward it to you. It pretty much explains everything.

NOTE: THE WEBSITE FRONT PAGE HAS A "CONTACT" BUTTON AND STEVE COLE IS THE FIRST OF MANY EMAIL ADDRESSES LISTED. CONTACT BUTTONS ARE A STANDARD FEATURE OF 99% OF WEBSITES.

http://www.starfleetgames.com/contact.shtml

By Justin Royter (Metaldog) on Friday, January 10, 2025 - 03:10 pm: Edit

Game 2.1 scheduled for Sunday 1/12/24 @ 7pm PST.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, January 11, 2025 - 12:53 am: Edit

Ron B: As noted elsewhere, snow has kept me or SPP from reaching the office. We won't be there before Monday. There are very narrow grounds to appeal an SPP ruling. I'm not going to reverse an SPP judgement without proof of a specific error (proving a black letter rule that was missed for one example, and that would not take more than a paragraph). Arguing that he "got it wrong" is a waste of time; his judgement is better than mine or anyone else's. The man knows more about judging events than everyone else combined. About the only path I can see for an appeal is that no "judge" warned you to stop stalling until you had done it four turns in a row. In that case, the best you can hope for is a free entry into the next event and a specific warning not to use that style of play again. From what I have seen so far, you were clearly in violation and even if it turns out you were not technically warned, you were still guilty.

By Ronald J. Brimeyer (Captainron) on Saturday, January 11, 2025 - 11:53 am: Edit

Mr. Cole: I completely understand your not being able to get into the office. This is not an urgent matter as I have conceded the game so the tournament can get moving. I do not question SPP's judgement. The information I sent you may show that the judgement was based on incorrect input. Please read the e-mail when you can. It is not an appeal of the ruling, it is more in the order of setting the record straight.

By Jack Taylor (Jtaylor) on Saturday, January 11, 2025 - 03:36 pm: Edit

I (zombie Jack) have reached out to Von_Nasty to schedule our game.

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Hardcore) on Saturday, January 11, 2025 - 04:37 pm: Edit

Still a Zombie, jack? You have had covid long time now. It would be good to hear you are getting better.

By Jack Taylor (Jtaylor) on Saturday, January 11, 2025 - 06:03 pm: Edit

I am not sick anymore (ha). I am brought back from the black fleet to play in the tournament again because Moose dropped. Zombie Jack.

By Jack Taylor (Jtaylor) on Sunday, January 12, 2025 - 01:08 pm: Edit

Von_Nasty vs Zombie MadJack

1/12 at 2p eastern

By Jack Taylor (Jtaylor) on Sunday, January 12, 2025 - 04:21 pm: Edit

Von_Nasty won on impulse 5 of turn 4. He didn't miss turn 2. That was the part A of the plan. The other part of the plan was for me to make a HET, which I did not.

By Seth Shimansky (Kingzila) on Monday, January 13, 2025 - 06:12 pm: Edit

2.2 kingzilla ORI (HHg11/HHgBB) vs Von_Nasty LYR

1/14/25 @ 6:30 EST

By Geoffrey Clark (Spartan) on Tuesday, January 14, 2025 - 10:19 am: Edit

2.1 MetalDog ZIN vs Spartan RKR

Just to give a quick report, we are in progress, we've played two turns.

Turn 1 - RKR moved 21/31/21 from the North, ZIN moved 31/17/31/26 from the South. Roughly impulse 20 Plasma 2x30 was launched, ZIN closed to range 8-ish and blasted with 2xOL, 2xSTD, 4xPh-1s, took RKR's #6 down to 14 left after some reinf. Then, ZIN turns and runs NE, launching 4x20 drones. RKR turns to follow, Ph-1s at ZIN's #5 score 18, Ph-3s vs drones, tractors two stragglers, and follows up with additional phasers, holds one drone over the turn break.

Turn 2 - RKR moved 16/26, ZIN moved 31/17/25. RKR rotates drone, finishes it. ZIN runs from plasma, continuing NE, turns North along the wall, slows down to find out both plasma are fake. RKR pursues into the NE corner. ZIN gets all the way to the corner, turns to run along the North wall, decides to hit the wall and stop. RKR slips a bit to try to get the weak #5, ZIN tacs, so RKR turns North, about range 8 ... RKR launches 50 pts from A&C. ZIN launches 4x20, RKR fires 5xPh-1s vs ZIN's #1, ZIN fires back with 4xPh-1s vs RKR's #2. We end the turn at range 6, with plasma and drones in-flight.

We'll resume on Wednesday 7pm PST / Thurs noon Tokyo.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, January 14, 2025 - 04:17 pm: Edit

Steven Petrick and I (Stephen V. Cole) reviewed the recent post-ruling statement by Ron Brimeyer. While he called into question certain statements made by his opponent, Justin Royter, his own statement describing his tactics in detail actually confirmed that the original ruling of non-aggression was correct.
It was noted that Steven Petrick was out of pocket (his doctor felt that two weeks of intensive in-patient physical therapy would improve his ability to walk) and unable to give the judicial warning, but Jean Sexton had advised the players of his absense and they played on knowing that non-aggression had been charged. This was warning enough. On the one hand, it could be argued that the game should have been paused when the subject came up until Steve Petrick could return, but Ron and Justin (out of respect for the other players) did not want to delay the tournament.
It is clear that Ron Brimeyer was not as aware of the non-aggression guidelines as he should have been, but that is his fault, not the fault of the company, the judge, or his opponent. It's not like we hid them.
It should be noted that “an appeal to Stephen V. Cole” can be based only on very narrow grounds, and “I disagree with Steve Petrick’s ruling” is not one of them. You would have to prove that Steve Petrick missed something significant, not that his judgement was wrong. Saying “I was not non-aggressive” isn’t something within Stephen V. Cole’s purview. Steve Petrick is a judge; Stephen V. Cole is a game designer. Stephen V. Cole cannot say “Steve P, you were wrong” but can only ask: “Steve P, did you take this specific point into account?”
It should also be noted that after the ruling is made is not the time to send a detailed play-by-play review disputing the basis of the ruling. Such a thing should have been sent when it was requested, before the ruling. That is a failure on the part of Ron Brimeyer, not the fault of Steven Petrick. In the end, it would have made no difference in this case, but in future, please tell the judge anything you want him to know before he makes a ruling.
It is the responsibility of players to know the rules, to know the judge guidelines, and to provide the needed statements of position. We cannot keep changing announced rulings every time a player does something he should have done before the ruling was made. Ultimately, each player is the one most responsible for providing the judges with accurate information.
Marketing Director Jean Beddow has said that, as a gesture of good will, she will waive the fee if Ron Brimeyer wants to enter the next Sapphire Star tournament.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, January 14, 2025 - 04:19 pm: Edit

Frederick the Great once said (in French but I will translate): "Audacity, audacity, always with audacity."

By Ronald J. Brimeyer (Captainron) on Tuesday, January 14, 2025 - 07:05 pm: Edit

OMG. My only mistake was assuming that a great judge like SPP would READ the game file and see that my opponent was lying to him.
IT WAS NOT YOUR ONLY MISTAKE.
SPP HAD ALL THE DATA.
BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT CALLING SOMEONE A LIAR.
AS NOTED IN MY POST, HIS ERRORS WERE NOT RELEVANT.

I have never made a claim that I should have been warned. You are confusing me with someone saying that on the BBS.
WE NEVER SAID YOU MADE SUCH A CLAIM.
WE SIMPLY NOTED THAT THE PROCEDURE FOLLOWED, WHILE NOT IDEAL, WAS VALID.

I said I did not have a copy of the 2012 rules before they were posted on this thread. I then used those rules to prove that nothing I did violated them.
YOU PROVED THAT YOU DID VIOLATE THEM.

You keep twisting my words.
YOUR STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

I will be posting a fact based account on the tactics thread for those that want to see it. (and if this or that is taken down, I will e-mail it to every player I respect).
WE WILL NOT BE HOSTING SUCH BILE.
THREATENING US IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
YOU ARE SUSPENDED FOR 30 DAYS. VIOLATE THAT AND IT BECOMES A YEAR.
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN TOURNAMENTS FOR SIX MONTHS.
NOTHING ABOUT THIS EVENT IS TO BE POSTED! EVER! IT IS DONE.

IF YOU WANT TO BE BANNED FOR LIFE, CONTINUE AS YOU ARE.--SVC

By Seth Shimansky (Kingzila) on Tuesday, January 14, 2025 - 09:58 pm: Edit

2.2 Kingzila Orion 2 hells gat 2 drones vs Von Nasty LYR

I was concerned about this match up – I am new to playing the Orion & Von Nasty is top player in the Lyran. My practice games did not go so well for me, so I had reason for concern. Turn one I did the 19/26 movement with no engines doubled. Planning on getting to 2 drones out late in the turn with a corner dodge. Lyran did 16 with sc to fast very late in the turn. Looked like Lyran had 4 ol & when he believed he would not get range 8 he turned of to get distance to set turn 2. The Orion turned in after his turn off. We were 19 hexes apert at the end of the turn.

Turn 2 Orion doubled both warp and OL both hellbores with speed 31 all turn with a HET allocated & 12 on the 6. The way we end the turn if I just went straight, he would have to hit my # 6. Lyran went 16 and did the slip out thing-y so he can turn around. When we got to range 10 or so the Lyran put up both ESG for full strength at range 2 & zero. We were facing orions #6 to the Lyrans #6. The Orion started to slp out as we got closer to force the Lyran to take a longer range shot or to turn in. When we were at range 5 the Lyran did a speed change to 17 to move again next impulse and to put the Orion in a tight sport. This would give the Lyran a shot on the Orions 5 or turn in and turn to give the #1. Not the extra protected shield # 6. Orion launched one drone & shuttle. The next impulse the Lyran had the # 5 shield shot range 4 and did not take it. The Orion fired 1 p1. The drone & shuttle took the ESG down by 12. The Orion launched type 4 by mistake. The following impulse the turn 1 drones take out the range 2 ESG but are still alive. The Orion turns in and the Lyran now has range 3 shot. We are shield 6 to 6. The Lyran fires and does 51 damage while the Orion holds fire. The Orion loses 1 p3 and a bunch of fluff. Over the next few impulses, the Orion HETs in is face to face range 1 on the Lyra’s #5. The Orion alfa strikes and does 27 internals taking out a ESG & 2 p3. The next few impulses the Lyran was able to get 2 p1 from the off that where not fire in the Orion’s #6 at range 1, rolling snake eyes and doing 16 internals. The Orion loses 2 more p3’s and 2 warp and bats with the rest of the fluff on the ship. The last part of the tour the Orion was running from the Lyran.

Turn 3 the Orion doubles both warp goes 26 all turn with a HET allocated and reloads all. The Lyran goes speed 9 and reloads his 4 bats & phasers to the best of my knowledge at this point. Impulse 2 the Orion HETs so the Lyran can’t maneuver to get a disruptor short will have to HET. Mid turn the Lyran speed change to 11 and the Orion is on the Lyra’s # 4 at range 2. The Orion’s facing shield is the # 2. The next impulse the Orion moves & would get some phasers on the down #. The Orion Alfa strike with 4 p1 and 7 p3 hits 16-point #4 shield of the Orion’s with 16 internals. I assume the Lyran would HET next imp to avoid the down shield. The Lyran gives in and says he cant HET. Great game & fun to play – Thank you Mr. Nasty.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, January 15, 2025 - 07:50 am: Edit

Ron Brimeyer, you are suspended from this BBS for 30 days.

By Justin Royter (Metaldog) on Wednesday, January 15, 2025 - 03:37 pm: Edit

SCV I would like to note that the game was stopped, by me, to await a ruling by the judge for non-aggression. Ron tried at least twice to get me to resume play without the judge taking a look, but to be clear the game was stopped iirc ~ imp 3 turn 5 to have the judge take a look and we did not continue inspite of pressure from Ron to play on.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, January 15, 2025 - 05:57 pm: Edit

Justin, I knew that. I was talking about possibly stopping at the end of turn two or three.

By Geoffrey Clark (Spartan) on Friday, January 17, 2025 - 04:17 am: Edit

Hello SPP,

A few days ago, I've sent you an email entitled "500 BPV Fleet Battle Tournament (CL15)" ... as time permits, would you please take a look?

Basically, could I please have a separate topic added to the BBS, under SFBOL/Non-Sapphire Tournaments?

Thanks!

By Justin Royter (Metaldog) on Friday, January 17, 2025 - 11:50 am: Edit

I would def be interested in a 500 bpv tourney!

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, January 18, 2025 - 05:23 am: Edit

Topic set up

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Hardcore) on Saturday, January 25, 2025 - 03:02 pm: Edit

It may be time to start up SS 19. Today Bill Schoeller earned a place in the final, and now we should soon know which of Spartan or Metaldog will fight Kingzilla for the other spot.
Justin is out of weasels and have emer deceled, Geoff has taken 20ish ints, lost a torp and like six power hits, and have shield damage, but will probably start lob EPTs at the poor cat. Next game session should decide the game.