New Seltorian Ships
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By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 03:59 pm: Edit

Shawn, see the notes above (R15.31) about the NCA. While the Seltorians arrrived with a fleet and ships that are good in battle against the older Tholians, they lacked 14+ years of combat experience the Tholians had gained fighting the Klingons, Romulans and on occassion the Federation.

This doesn't imply that the Seltorians weren't able to learn or smart enough to learn new things. Indeed the NCA resulted from asking someone else to look at their situation then adopting a suggestion that turned out to be a really good solution under the circumstances.

Indeed some sort of connecting dock between the two booms for the CA and DD sounds logical given the other constraints of the Seltorian situation in regards to F&E, but it also sounds manageable from the engineering side pending the location of the module in question relative to other issues like firing arcs and sheilding.

Anytime you can outnumber your opponent it is a good thing. It means you will do more damage to them and take less damage yourself. It also gives you tactical and sometimes strategic advantages that you can then use to gain a bigger advantage.

Looking at the Maelstrom scenario in F&E (675.D3). The Tholians are not only going to have the advantage from a command rating perspective, but also in terms of hull counts. They have roughly 80 hulls listed in the Order of Battle at the start. That number will change and likely grow larger depending on how hard the Klingons and/or Romulans fight against them.

As to SPP's research request, I don't see any indication that said they couldn't build command variants of their ships. There are comments about the Tholians swapping the Command Module on the CL or CA with a Flag Command Module from a DN. As SPP stated those would create the CLC or CC needed in pre revolt times. Even the Tholians in our galaxy can build replacement or new Flag Command Modules.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 04:12 pm: Edit

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R15.2 and R15.3 state no DNs or BCHs appeared in our galaxy. For their home galaxy, Seltorians clearly could field full battle fleets with their DNs and BCHs (command rating 10 each). Thus, for bigger battles during the rebellion they would not have had a handicapped command and control structure. CAs likely could command any force which would require a fewer number of ships, though theoretically they may have been at a disadvantage in certain battles. However, their home galaxy doesn't appear to have required CCs or leader variants. The implied scale of the rebellion seems to imply that DNs and BCHs would not have been in short supply relative to their needs to take on the Tholian Will.



One further note to add to that is from SFB Module R12 (And FC: Battleships Attack, where the ship type was first published); during the Revolt, the main siege engine used by the Seltorians was the Battlewagon, a Hive Ship converted to replace six of its eight bays with rows of side-firing web breakers.

(These were not only the key instruments of mass xenocide during the Revolt, for their ability to destablise the web lattices used to hold each Sphere together; they would have been ideal battering rams for use against Neo-Tholian Starbases.)

Whatever the case might have been for command ships prior to the Revolt, the BW in and of itself would be the key aspect in explaining where the concentration of force required to overwhelm the Will's strongest defences would have come to pass. (Not least since, according to the R-section, the Selts were able to use pairs of these behemoths in key siege operations.)

By Stewart W Frazier (Frazikar2) on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 09:17 pm: Edit

Thinking it over, the Seltorians should have known that they were coming into a fight with the odds weighted against them. They have a CA (CR8) and know that their opponents could have a NDN (CR10)/NCC (CR9) to oppose them.

The mini-boom solution for the NCA might (with additional Klingon help) spark the 'command mini-boom' idea (or just upgrade their FFs into BDDs, if they can produce mini-booms fast enough).

The Selts main problems are production and impatience...

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 11:21 pm: Edit

The Seltorians expected to have another Hive Ship with them, but it was lost in transit (CL, flavour text for scenario & story involving Juggernauts in intergalactic space, can't remember issue number). With that, their production could easily have doubled, and they would have been able to commit a Battlewagon to combat as part of the final assault.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 12:08 am: Edit

I think that a CC would not have occurred in the Home Galaxy. I think the situation of normal duties for the Seltorians would not have required one (any situation could be lead by a BCH or a Tholian ship). Once the revolt began I doubt they needed one or needed to spend the time and effort to design and build one.

However, I can see the Klingons helping to show the use of one in the situation against the Holdfast but not right at first. Given the lack of a BCH, and once the Seltorians could field a fleet big enough to need one, AND have a mission for that size of a fleet, then I think they would have developed a very simple one quickly with Klingon input. I don't see them developing smaller command variants of CLs and DDs.

IMHO.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 12:59 am: Edit

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(CL, flavour text for scenario & story involving Juggernauts in intergalactic space, can't remember issue number)



Fire in the Deep, from Captain's Log #41.


Actually, that story makes a point of the Juggernauts trying to make their way to attack the home galaxy; even if the ships with the Star of Redemption reported as encountering turned out not be Juggernauts per se, they could still have been a potential threat for the post-Revolt Seltorian Suzerainty to consider having to deal with.

(Though that might simply mean parking a few dreadnoughts in the vicinity of the invaders' expected approach vector, rather than driving the Suzerainty to develop new ships or tactical doctrines to counter them.)

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 03:59 pm: Edit

So while organizing my minis I noticed the Seltorian DN has two booms with nothing in the middle, what would a Seltorian 3 boom DN be? A DNH? Does the ship exist? Maybe as an unbuilt variant? Looks like a pretty easy mini to master it just needs a story and an SSD.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 04:04 pm: Edit

The three-boom Light Battleship was previewed for Federation Commander in Communiqué #78.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 07:38 pm: Edit

In the CL with the Selt three boom DD (HDD?) it was mentioned that ADB already had the other 3-boom SSDs stored in house...

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