Awww...but that's half the fun!

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:39 am: Edit

Remember that Shield damage only weapons are on the Auto reject list. The Selt SC is an exception.) But 2X is also on the auto reject list as well.

Regarding the 6/6 permanent/temp damage. If it was me. I would want the permanent 12pt shield damage of a regualr drone 99% of the time. The 1% is among the few times that almost anything could be useful in highly specialized circumstances.

By Douglas E. Lampert (Dlampert) on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:19 pm: Edit

Half space module.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:48 pm: Edit

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Regarding the 6/6 permanent/temp damage. If it was me. I would want the permanent 12pt shield damage of a regualr drone 99% of the time. The 1% is among the few times that almost anything could be useful in highly specialized circumstances.

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By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 02:28 pm: Edit

a normal 1/2 space exposive module does 6 points of damage.

You need a full-space module to do 12.

A full space HEAT module would do that same 12 damage (shield only, no carryover to ship damage) and suppress an additional 12 boxes.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:35 pm: Edit

I was under the impression the Klingons wiped out the Selts before the end of the General War. If they hadn't then a Shield Cracker module in a drone would be of interest to pirates and commando ships. Perhaps the Klingons were able to develop the tech in their search for a web breaker?

The nice thing about the Shield Cracker is the rules all exist, it can fire at a decent range and it would be difficult for anyone other than the Klingons to reverse engineer making a racial flavor weapon.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:12 pm: Edit

Yeah...but a sheild specific weapon would come under some force to be better on the GW and MY ships and ess effective against the X2 ships ( because the spearfish drone already went that way ) and that would create a does not play nic problem for the sheild numbing drone.

By Douglas E. Lampert (Dlampert) on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 04:43 pm: Edit

Tos, the Klingons did not wipe the Selts out, they just eliminated them from this galaxy. Given that the Selts had sent back a report on their success in locating fugative Tholians, there will probably be another group of Selts along within the next few hundred years (unless the home galaxy has lost interest).

We need to keep Selts in mind as a possible enemy for X9 or so....

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:38 pm: Edit

Not to rain on your parade (ironic since Isabel's bearing down on us here), Douglas, but I think SVC indicated there'd be no X3, etc. Still who's to say there couldn't be a SFB "Time Warp" set? Hey! It works SO WELL for the Franchise . . .

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:43 pm: Edit

A new wave of Selts in the late trade war period would be entertaining. Perhaps they improved their inter-galactic transit speeds once they found their prey. Perhaps they were re-routed from other journeys once they found their prey. Perhaps they left a hive ship west of the Hydrans and it's been building an armada for a few decades. Perhaps the Selts are rampaging across the galactic wall while the Xorks are pushing in from the north.

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:18 pm: Edit

I can't find the reference right now. But it was implied that the Selt's may have lied about how soon reinforcements were due to arrive.

Who knows there maybe a dozen Nest/Hive ships already on the way. And due to arrive in only a few years. Potentially carrying something larger than a CA.

The current Selt's may have beamed Info for TBombs Fighters PF's XTech etc to the new arrivals. Making them MUCH more capable.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:23 pm: Edit

RBN: I almost compleatly sure that the X9 thing was a joke about the Selts returning but so far in the future that we would never see it happen.

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:12 pm: Edit

Another "Doomsday" project?

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:53 pm: Edit

Maybe by SVC's Heir to the SFU for our great grandkids.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:22 pm: Edit

Hey, won't next Gen' fall into public Domain around about 2037...?

By Jonathan Biggar (Jonb) on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 09:59 pm: Edit

Nope. Currently copyright terms are getting extended by Congress faster than real time.

By Douglas E. Lampert (Dlampert) on Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 03:11 pm: Edit

Commonly believed, but not completely true.

All that follows is IIRC:

Congress has passed about three major peices of copywrite legislation since about 1870.

The first was around the turn of the last century (copyright is from date of completion, for 28 years and can be extended for another 28); the second in the 70s which made US law a lot closer to international norms (copyright is from 50 years from author's death or 70 years flat for corporate creations), this actually shortened a few copyrights (author died shortly after writing a work) but lengthened most; the third in the 90s, which made the US compliant with the Bern convention followed by most of the rest of the world. (70 years from author's death or 100 years for corporate creations.)

The joint effect is that some things due to go out of copyright in the 70s (Steamboat Willy for example) are still in copywrite today. So they have extended faster than real time.

But the 70s reform was clearly aimed at making the US law match the rest of the world, so it was clear at that time that they would eventually go fully to the Bern convention. Any further extention from the current law runs into the problem that the rest of the world could and would tell the US to go hang.

Copyright enforcement really needs to be international, so it makes sence for US law to match the rest of the world, now that we do it would be MUCH harder to get another extension through.

All that said, NextGen is probably copywrite by Paramount rather than the authors, so episodes will go out of copywrite 100 years after they were made, I would not hold my breath.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:59 pm: Edit

Continuing the story would extend the copy right. That is, Star Trek is still going on so TOS is still active and wont expire until the time period after the last Star Trek is written (movie, book, TV).

In other words, early Star Trek wont expire before newer Star Treks.

By Douglas E. Lampert (Dlampert) on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:37 pm: Edit

Not true, Disney keeps making Mickey Mouse films and shorts, but the character still loses copyright (but not trademark) protection when Steamboat Willy hits 100 (baring another change in law).

Copyright on any given episode will remain in place only until that episode goes out. Under current law IIRC 100 years after completion of that episode.

What could happen is that Paramount claims something is derivative of the NEWER work, not of the original. This sort of claim is easy to make unless what you are doing is exactly duplicating the out of copyright work.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 09:36 pm: Edit

It is true. What happens is that once the copyright is expired on the first episode anything used from that would violate copyright on other works. Everytime a new Star Trek work is published, anything used from prior works could violoate that newer copyright.

Say I get to use works from "The Cage". THe problem is that the Star Trek Encyclopedia also contains this info and is copyright 25 years later. No matter what part of any bit of Star Trek you use. you would violate another copyright. Hence, there would be no public domain until the time limit after the last Star Trek. I should add that the "Universe" would have to be properly maintained. I suppose it is possible that newer works could have so little to do with the original works that a case against use would end up untenable.

By Douglas E. Lampert (Dlampert) on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 10:12 pm: Edit

The new copyright does NOT cover the original work, since each new printing of a book makes some changes to the book if what you say were true then nothing that stays in print would EVER go out of copyright.

The new copyright covers only new material.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 10:36 pm: Edit

The individual componants occure in both versions. You cannot use the U.S.S. Enterprise from "The Cage" because it would violate the U.S.S. Enterprise in "The Imunity Syndrom".

You can't use the Vulcan Mr. Spock from TOS because copyright still stands on the character from TNG.

If you tried really hard you might beat Paramount, if you can out spend them. The thing I propose are not a pure case but would be hard to beat. One thing that extends many of the TOS concepts is the Encyclopedia. You might not violate TOS copyright but you would violate others of the same concept.

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:03 pm: Edit

Need to ask SVC for a ruling on this.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:22 pm: Edit

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By David Slatter (Davidas) on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 06:31 am: Edit

deleted - off topic.