Loren,

A -1 per atttempt would disproportionately impact plasmas as the negative modifiers rack up. I would fire P-6s at R8 so my P-5s would all come in with a heavy negative modifier.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:49 pm: Edit

Ph-5 cannot fire under Aegis. Only Ph-6s. Since the Ph-6s on most ships would have Limited (i.e. two Aegis steps) the best you could attain would be a -1 on the second step.

Full aegis would get up to a -3.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:22 pm: Edit

Loren,

If X2 is wired the way X1 is, yes it can.

All phasers in X1 were connected into X-aegis. it just couldn't rapid-pulse against anything that wasn't a target for X-aegis.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:38 pm: Edit

Whaa? I must review...

I don't remember that heavy phasers could use aegis ever.

I'll review later. Got a meeting to go to.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:40 pm: Edit

it was one of the ways X1 could go all P-1. They were all connected to the X-aegis

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:04 pm: Edit

I thought that only the pulse mode Ph-3s could fire through Aegis. Hmmm, got ta go.

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:30 pm: Edit

I never knew that, but you're right, JT.

There's no rule in either (XD13.0 - Module X1) or (D13.0 - Module J) or (XD13.0 - CL23) that restricts Aegis from controling ph-1s.

I always thought there was, but I read something that isn't there.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:47 pm: Edit

In GW-tech ships, P-1s aren't generally hooked to aegis because they aren't usually fired at seeking weapons. when they are, the all fire on the first aegis step and then the aegis systems clean up on the following steps.

MAYBE the Fed escorts designed for the Rom border like the DER have aegis P-1's. Otherwise, no.

By Jeff Tonglet (Blackbeard) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:04 pm: Edit

All I'm saying is there's no general rule that prevents it.

However, if every ship description includes the same restriction, that may have been why I thought it was a general rule.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:17 pm: Edit

Maybe the P5, as it costs 1.5 anyway, can rapid-pulse as three P3's, with full aegis control? Not a PG, but close. Do away with the P6 altogether, maybe? Not sure I like this, but it's a thought.

By Mike Dowd (Mike_Dowd) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 04:26 pm: Edit

It was probably just *too* expensive for the Alpha powers to tie the Ph-1s into the Aegis during the GW for escorts and carriers...

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:22 pm: Edit

I'd prefer to just have the P-5 pulse as 2x P-6

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 06:48 pm: Edit

There are plenty of escorts with P1 tied into full Aegis. Here are a few: http://home.comcast.net/~bentwingedbird/SFB/activegames/SL217/SSD/Ironhide.gif
http://home.comcast.net/~bentwingedbird/SFB/activegames/SL217/SSD/Scorcher.gif
http://home.comcast.net/~bentwingedbird/SFB/activegames/SL217/SSD/DarkAngel.gif
http://home.comcast.net/~bentwingedbird/SFB/activegames/SL217/SSD/Rampart.gif

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:29 pm: Edit

I don't like the idea of heavy weapons on all ships being tied to aegis but if that is the case for X1 then I can't see it not being so for X2. I really can't see any dumbing down of the new stuff.

However, any type of special phaser weapon like Mikes Heavy Phaser or a "Mega" Phaser should NOT be conected to Aegis. Even though it might be pretty silly to fire such a weapon at a drone there is plasmas and type-H and Shuttles/Fighters that would suffer from such a thing.

Maybe the "Track-Lock" system can be an enhancement to the Hydran Ph-G only. So, leave the Ph-G as is but add the "Track-Lock" system to them and allow it to work against all targets. The Klingons and Kzinti got DERFACS, so the Hydrans get "Track-Lock" for the Ph-G.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:42 pm: Edit

Here is the proposal:

Hydrans looked for ways to improve the Ph-G. Larger Phaser beams (Ph-6 type) would work if fired at a slower pace (Once per impulse) but this was much slower and sometimes failed all together. What was chosen was the Track-Lock targeting system for the Ph-G. This was similar to aegis but quickly analized the results of the first hit and used that information to improve the firing solution of the next shot. It could not improve the next shot if too much time was between shots because of the rapidly changing conditions of faster than light combat and other factors. However, it does improve targeting for phasers fired in the same impulse.

To use Track-Lock targeting simply fire the Ph-G during any of the four aegis steps. With each subsequent firing step after a fired shot, apply a -1 to the die roll of the next shot.

1st step	normal die roll
2nd step	-1 to die roll
3rd step	-2 to die roll
4th step	-3 to die roll

Each shot requires a die roll. This accounts for the fast changing conditions of trans-light combat but the Track-Lock is represented by the die roll modifier.

This only accounts for Ph-G shots that are fired during a single impulse. The die roll modifier resets each impulse. Fire one per impulse and there is no modifier.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:04 pm: Edit

...That would enable a P-3/P-6 to intercept reasonably well even at range 2.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:40 pm: Edit

The Gat doesn't really need an improvement. Particularly if it might someday end up on a fighter or PF.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:06 pm: Edit

Well, it has been questioned about what to do with the gatling phaser. Should it fire six shots? Should it fire four Ph-6s. This all seemed too powerful.

The Track-Lock system is very X2'ish to me and not too powerful as it still uses the Ph-3 chart. Hydrans would have to have an added chart but...maybe the Hydran Ph-5 can be a little different. Maybe the Hydran can't rapid pulse. In fact, the Hydran Ph-5 is a totally different weapon that just uses the same chart. So the Hydran has the Ph-5 that can down fire one shot as any other phaser save the Ph-6. But they get four Ph-XG and cool Hellbores and my Gatling Fusion (any one remember that one?).

Hmmm, I like.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:45 pm: Edit

Also note that X-Aegis only works out as far ar R6.

That has made a term paper I had considered writting.

IF a PF escorted by an ECM drone gets to R6 of an X-ship then it's in big trouble.
The first Aegis step is used to kill the ECM drone and the the next Aegis step is used to kill the PF it'self.

Hence a PF can not aford to spend even one impulse at R6 or less if it needs an ECM drone to protect it.


Fortunately there are no underlined and bold hits on the DAC and so the mizia isn't so important.

By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:00 am: Edit

Want to bet?

A PF with packs can have its warp drive miziaed away really fast. This becomes ridiculously easy to do when X-aegis can target PFs.

But that is if it is using packs.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:45 am: Edit

(XD13.0) X-Aegis works to range 15 http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/errata/X-shipCL23.pdf

By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Sunday, December 28, 2003 - 02:42 am: Edit

X-AEGIS can still target PFs?

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Sunday, December 28, 2003 - 06:56 am: Edit

Yeah...it's one of the fundimental starting points...If X1 can X2 can.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Sunday, December 28, 2003 - 06:43 pm: Edit

If a ship had a Post Y195 YIS and less than full X1 capasities, it would be an X1R ship.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 01:59 am: Edit

On the subject of 3Ph-3 shots form a Ph-5.

If a Fed XCA is 300-330 BPV and has 8Ph-5s, what happens when a Leg W.O. is on a Klingon DXD ( BPV ( 260+39 ).

A Wave of 6 Type VIII drones could be attacked the G-racks as ADDs to kill 1.16 each per wave.

Two waves together might be built up by the DXD so the XCA can only expect to shoot down 4.66 drones of the 12 incomming ( and fully controlled ) type VIII drones.

Now if the XCA has 6 bearing Ph-5s and the can generate 2Ph-6 shots AND each Ph-6 shot has a minimim of 4 points of damage then the XCA can shoot down 6 of the expected 7.33 type VIII drones ( and expect to be hit by a further 32 points of damage by those un destroyed drones ).
If the Ph-6 shot can not garrenttee 4 points of damage ( or more ) at range 1 then more drone will strike the ship.

On the other hand if the ship could fire those Ph-5s as 3Ph-3 shots then it coulkd fire off 7.33 pairs of Ph-3 shots and kill 4/9s of them. Leave 4.'074' of the drones to be availible to be shot down by the ramianing 3.33 Phaser-3 shots.

Statistically this will mean just less than Type VIII drone will strike the XCA.

1.333 drones getting through if Ph-6s inflict a minimum of 4 points of damage at R1.
0.'740' drones getting through if the Ph-5s can fire as 3Ph-3s.


I think that those are the only two options...having Ph-6s that don't inflict a minimum of 4 points of damage at R1 nor a 3Ph-3 mode for the Ph-5 forces the XCA with a suite of 8Ph-5s to suffer too many drone hits from ships that should have to work for those drone hits.
The DXD didn't even launch one SP to russle up those drone hits.


Three Kzintis MCDs can chuck 21 type IF or IVF drones at the XCA ( and come in if they get the drones for free at around 330 BPV ) each and every turn and I would think that defending the XCA against drones hits would be something the X2 Admiralty would want to retain the ability to be equal to the X1 ships at least ( in part because Aegis linked Phaser shots wouldn't be restricted by treaty ).