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By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 01:16 am: Edit

Suggested Federation ship name:

Ilmari Juutilainen, Finnish fighter ace of WW2, highest scoring non-German fighter pilot of all time with 94 kills.

Name suggested for a Federation carrier of some sort, perhaps second-series DWV.

Sources:
http://www.acesofww2.com/finland/aces/Juutilainen.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilmari_Juutilainen

http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/interviews/ilmari_juutilainen.htm

http://www.ww2incolor.com/finnish_forces/illu1.html

By Jeremy Gray (Gray) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 03:39 am: Edit

Anybody who can pull off 34 kills in a Brewster Buffalo deserves some recognition.

By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 01:26 pm: Edit

Indeed. That thing was a tub.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 02:51 pm: Edit

34 kills flying a Brewster Buffalo? Piffle! Hans-Ulrich Rudel shot down 9 enemy aircraft flying a STUKA!<sup>*

*</sup>The wikipedia article says 9. I've recall reading elsewhere that it was 7. Possibly the discrepancy is between those aircraft shot down by his aircraft (including kills by his tail gunner) and those shot down by Rudel personally with forward firing weapons. Most Stuka versions had twin forward firing machine guns, but the Ju-87G-1 (a "tank buster" predecessor to the A-10) carried no bombs but had, in addition to the machine guns, two forward firing 37mm cannon. These cannon were not automatic cannon, such as many German fighters carried. They fired once for each trigger press, with a total of 6 rounds per gun. They were used to shoot through the (much thinner) top armor of Russian tanks. Rudel apparently got 2 air-to-air kills with these single-shot cannon!

Some German officers only went along with the Nazis as a career move. Others were true believers. Rudel, unfortunately, seems to have been in the latter camp, a true believer in the Nazi cause. Be that as it may, a plausible case can be made that he was the greatest combat aviator who ever lived.

By Mark Steven Hoyle (Bolo_Mk_Xl) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 03:10 pm: Edit

For most, if not all the war, it was actually illegal to be in the Military and the Nazi Party ---

For awhile they tried to keep the civilian government and military separate ---

By Antti Hyvärinen (Dencat) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 04:40 pm: Edit

If you want to know them, I have a list of all Juutilainen´s kills sorted by date, plane flown, plane shot down and status of confirmation.(Self-announced, spotted by wingman, spotted by air-warning personnel, reported by russians)

This from Finnish military archives.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 05:53 pm: Edit

Guys, this is starting to sound like military history. Shoo, go post there unless you are justifying a proposed ship name.

Jean
WebMom

By Richard Sherman (Rich) on Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 11:51 pm: Edit

I respectfully request a Federation Carrier of some type (maybe a DWV?) be named:

USS Speicher

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 12:18 pm: Edit

Richard, I'm going to beat SVC to it.

You need to provide a link as to WHY Speicher should be so honored. (Almost anything but Wiki.) I certainly don't know anything (not meaning SVC) but that means that research would have to be done therefore it's probably a non starter.

I'm just repeating what has been said any number of times in this topic.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 01:00 pm: Edit

So Rich doesn't have to do the research:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/msspeicher.htm

Navy Captain Michael "Scott" Speicher has been called the first casualty of Operation Desert Storm. Captain Speicher was shot down flying a combat mission in an F/A-18 Hornet over west-central Iraq on January 17th, 1991.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 02:04 pm: Edit

I know who Speicher is. No problemo.

By ROBERT l cALLAWAY (Callaway) on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 02:21 pm: Edit

So as far as I know the names

Richard Bong, 40 kills
Thomas Miquirer 40 kills both SWP

Gentle ETO

and the Warships
TANG
HARDER
WAHOO

ALL SUBS

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED

By Lee Hanna (Lee) on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 05:34 pm: Edit

I think the aces you're looking for are:
Thomas MacGuire, 38 kills; and Don Gentile

By ROBERT l cALLAWAY (Callaway) on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 01:54 am: Edit

thanks Lee my spelling sucks and I could not rember Don's first name. Sam Dealy another CMH winner captain of Harder

By Lee Hanna (Lee) on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 09:36 pm: Edit

I'm pretty sure that's Dealey.

Let's not forget Morton and O'Kane, skippers of the other two boats you mention. Or Eugene Fluckey, I think he received the MoH, too.

By ROBERT l cALLAWAY (Callaway) on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 11:34 pm: Edit

Mush Morton was Wahoo Skipper lost if I rember correctly in the sea of JAPAN and Tang's O'Kane
fell afoul of a defective torp that circled and struck the ship. I beleive Fluckey was the captain that order his boat to dive while he still on the bridge Brave men and ships all they deserve to be rembered

By Lee Hanna (Lee) on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 08:46 am: Edit

The last one was Dealey of the USS Harder, staying on the bridge.

Fluckey commanded Barb near the end of the war, chasing shipping into harbors and even rocketing the Japanese coast from the surface.

By ROBERT l cALLAWAY (Callaway) on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 10:08 am: Edit

your wrong on Dealey Lee Harder tangeled with a SC/DE and died when she got unlucky on a depth charge run. Harder had a rep of hunting DD killing 5 in the months before hand.

By ROBERT l cALLAWAY (Callaway) on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 11:31 am: Edit

USS ENGLAND DE 6 RO boat kills between may 17-1944 and may 28 1944 5 single kills one primary with help.

Ploesti aug 1 1943 :raid on german oil production in romania 5 B24 groups struck oil refineries from a maximun height of between 25-100 ft over 1/2 of the raiders died but production was severed.
The Heavy Bomb Groups
44th the Eight Balls
93rd the Traveling Circus
98th the Pyramiders
376th the Liberandos
389th the Sky Scorpions
5 CMH were won here.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 12:15 pm: Edit

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Quote:

Ploesti aug 1 1943 :raid on german oil production in romania 5 B24 groups struck oil refineries from a maximun height of between 25-100 ft over 1/2 of the raiders died but production was severed.
The Heavy Bomb Groups
44th the Eight Balls
93rd the Traveling Circus
98th the Pyramiders
376th the Liberandos
389th the Sky Scorpions
5 CMH were won here.

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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 09:03 pm: Edit

Pet Peeve: One does not "win" the CMH. Rather, it is earned, paid for with blood, sweat, and tears. The CMH is not a contest.


Garth L. Getgen, MSgt USAF (ret)

By Mark Steven Hoyle (Bolo_Mk_Xl) on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 09:45 pm: Edit

It was a rough mission that did little permanent damage ----
IIRC they were bombing Ploesti right up to the surrender or very close ---

By ROBERT l cALLAWAY (Callaway) on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 11:28 pm: Edit

Garth you are correct the CMH is bought and pd for in Blood all most all combat metals are pd for in Blood. But we as a culture use win, won are earned as shorthand for that payment

By ROBERT l cALLAWAY (Callaway) on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 11:30 pm: Edit

Little permant damage but it devert large amounts of rescoues to defend it