Easy on current politics, please.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 01:03 am: Edit

Submitted for a police ship:

Lieutenant Sayed Pacha: Afghan police officer who sacrificed himself to save countless lives by wrapping his arms around a suicide bomber, preventing him from reaching his intended target area.


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By Gregory S Flusche (Vandor) on Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 06:44 am: Edit

that is a good one Garth

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 03:54 pm: Edit

Good one

By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Sunday, February 11, 2018 - 09:24 pm: Edit

Proposed ship name, possibly for a DWV or other carrier -
Eugene Jacques Bullard

Like Bass Reeves, the man's life and career reads like a movie that Hollywood would probably not make as it sounds too fantastical.

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Eugene Jacques Bullard was the first African-American fighter pilot in history. But he is also much more then that: He’s was a national hero, to France, unknown in his native United States.

Bullard was an expat living in France, and when World War 1 broke out he joined the French Infantry. He was seriously wounded, and France awarded him the Croix de Guerre and Medaille Militaire.

In 1916 he joined the French air service and he first trained as a gunner but later trained as a pilot. When American pilots volunteered to help France and formed the famous Lafayette Escadrille, he asked to join but by the time he became a qualified pilot they were no longer accepting new recruits.

So, he joined the Lafayette Flying Corps instead. He served with French flying units and he completed 20 combat missions.

When the United States finally joined the war, Bullard was the only member of the Escadrille or the French Flying Corps who was NOT invited to join the US Air Service. The reason? At that time the Air Service only accepted white men.

Now here is the part that almost sounds like a sequel to ‘Casablanca’-
After WWI, Bullard became a jazz music drummer in Paris and he eventually owned a nightclub called ‘L’Escadrille’.

When the Germans invaded France and conquered it in WW2, his club, and Bullard, became hugely popular with German officers. What what they DIDN’T know was that Bullard, who spoke fluent German, was actually passing what information he could obtain to the Free French.

He eventually joined a French infantry unit, but he was badly wounded and had to leave the service.

By the end of the war, Bullard had become a national hero in France, but he later moved back to the U.S. where he was of course completely unknown. Practically no one in the United States was aware of it when, in 1959, the French government named him a national Chevalier, or Knight.

In 1960, the President of France, Charles DeGaulle, paid a state visit to the United States and when he arrived he said that one of the first things he wanted to do was to meet Bullard.

That sent the White House staff scrambling because most of them, of course, had never even heard of him. They finally located him in New York City, and DeGaulle traveled there to meet him personally. At the time, Eugene Bullard was working as … an elevator operator.

Not long after Eugene Bullard met with the President of France, he passed away.

On August 23, 1994 — 33 years after his death, and 77 years to the day after the physical that should have allowed him to fly for his own country — Bullard was posthumously commissioned a second lieutenant in the United States Air Force.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Sunday, February 11, 2018 - 10:03 pm: Edit

Another good one. Thank you for posting the history, I wasn't aware of any part of this.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Friday, September 07, 2018 - 10:48 pm: Edit

Just curious if you're considering adding "John S. McCain" to the list of starship names.

I have no opinion one way or the other, but I will note that McCain Senior and McCain Junior were both four-star admirals.


Garth L. Getgen

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 02:02 pm: Edit

In case you might want to have a Luna-class ship named after moons in the solar system, here are all their names*:

Earth: Luna

Mars: Phobos, Deimos

Jupiter: Io, Europa, Ganymede, Callisto, Amalthea, Himalia, Elara, Pasiphae, Sinope, Lysithea, Carme, Ananke, Leda, Thebe, Adrastea, Metis, Callirrhoe, Themisto, Megaclite, Taygete, Chaldene, Harpalyke, Kalyke, Iocaste, Erinome, Isonoe, Praxidike, Autonoe, Thyone, Hermippe, Aitne, Eurydome, Euanthe, Euporie, Orthosie, Sponde, Kale, Pasithee, Hegemone, Mneme, Aoede, Thelxinoe, Arche, Kallichore, Helike, Carpo, Eukelade, Cyllene, Kore, Dia, Eirene, Philophrosyne, Eupheme, Valetudo, Pandia, Ersa

Saturn: Mimas, Enceladus, Tethys, Dione, Rhea, Titan, Hyperion, Iapetus, Phoebe, Janus, Epimetheus, Helene, Telesto, Calypso, Atlas, Prometheus, Pandora, Pan, Ymir, Paaliaq, Tarvos, Ijiraq, Suttungr, Kiviuq, Mundilfari, Albiorix, Skathi, Erriapus, Siarnaq, Thrymr, Narvi, Methone, Pallene, Polydeuces, Daphnis, Aegir, Bebhionn, Bergelmir, Bestla, Farbauti, Fenrir, Fornjot, Hati, Hyrrokkin, Kari, Loge, Skoll, Surtur, Anthe, Jarnsaxa, Greip, Tarqeq, Aegaeon

Uranus: Ariel, Umbriel, Titania, Oberon, Miranda, Cordelia, Ophelia, Bianca, Cressida, Desdemona, Juliet, Portia, Rosalind, Belinda, Puck, Caliban, Sycorax, Prospero, Setebos, Stephano, Trinculo, Francisco, Margaret, Ferdinand, Perdita, Mab, Cupid

Neptune: Triton, Nereid, Naiad, Thalassa, Despina, Galatea, Larissa, Proteus, Halimede, Psamathe, Sao, Laomedeia, Neso, Hippocamp

Pluto: Charon, Nix, Hydra,, Kerberos

Haumea: Hi'iaka, Namaka

Eris: Dysnomia

* Jupiter and Saturn have a bunch of tiny moons that don't have names (yet), just numbers.


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By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 12:38 pm: Edit

How about some Federation DNW names for the upcoming Shapeways miniature release?

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 02:55 pm: Edit

Perhaps names like Andor, Rigel, Alpha Centauri, etc, etc. Although I don't think Vulcans would like a warship named for their home planet.


Garth L. Getgen

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 05:01 pm: Edit

Seems like a big departure from the current DN/BB themes.

By Charles Chapel (Ctchapel) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 05:42 pm: Edit

NCAs are named for cities and DNWs are larger versions of NCAs, so state planets of the Federation seem fine to me.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 08:00 pm: Edit

Good point. What happens to the name of an NCL that gets converted into an NCA?

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 08:15 pm: Edit

If NCA were named for cities, and of course the Texas-class CL were named for states ... were any ships named for countries?? Like: The Canada, The Russia, The France, The Mexico, etc, etc.

Also, speaking of Mexico, were any Texas-class named for Mexican states? Was there ever a ship called the USS Chihuahua??


Garth L. Getgen

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 09:10 pm: Edit

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Perhaps names like Andor, Rigel, Alpha Centauri, etc, etc.

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By Mike Dowd (Mike_Dowd) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 09:18 pm: Edit

Garth, the Texas CLs carried the names forward from the old Province-class Terran cruisers. It wasn't *just* states that were the source of the names. One good example of that was the Leinster, named afer one of the 4 Counties of Ireland.

By Charles Chapel (Ctchapel) on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 09:36 pm: Edit

@Nick, I think the NCL kept the name she was originally given.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 06:23 pm: Edit

To follow on from the "moon" post, perhaps one could use names of smaller moons, such as Enceladus or any of the five moonlets of the Corselet orbiting Andor, as "standard" class names; and reserve the names of larger moons, such as Titan or Thalna (which orbits the second planet in the Orion home system) for "leader" ships.

I agree that more names of a non-Terran origin would be welcome: there are a few more candidate names in Prime Directive Federation.

As for the Federation war dreadnoughts, perhaps they could have names based on Federation Council Chairmen who had served during times of war? PD Feds has a list of those also: for example, Chairman Ignacio Guerrero Juarez, a native of Monterrey in Mexico, served during the Second Federation-Kzinti War; while Chairman Aelastok Kirnad, an Andorian politician and jurist, was the third Chairman to serve during the General War. As most of the successful wartime Chairmen reached across the aisle to bring key representatives of the opposition party into government, naming ships in their honour might in its own way reflect the concept of "political unity" in the face of external adversity.

And to clarify, Leinster is a traditional province, which itself has 12 traditional counties; although Irish provinces are not governmental entities in the way that, say, Canadian provinces like Ontario or Nova Scotia would be. (For that matter, one of those counties is itself split into four administrative entities, but anyway...)

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 06:50 pm: Edit

Yes, a complaint I see all the time over on Trek-BBS, not just about SFB but Trek in general, is the lack of non-Human, heck even the lack of non-American, ship names. Unfortunately, most of the suggestions are unpronounceable gibberish. Who wants to read about the adventures of Captain Wogot-ani'rix of the Light Cruiser USS Zra'kny'b'qatoo'lala??

Made-up "alien" names are fine, if they don't hurt your brain every time they appear on the page. For example, I used T'Kel as the name of a police cutter. I haven't written the reason for the name, but presumably T'Kel was a Vulcan law enforcement official, either in high office and/or noted for heroic action.

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Mike Dowd: I misspoke about the Texas-class. I knew there are some named for non-American provinces, such as the Quebec. Thanks for noting that.


Garth L. Getgen

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, January 11, 2020 - 04:01 pm: Edit

Request adding ship name for John C. England. Was killed in action, December 7, 1941. On board the U.S.S. Oklahoma. As the ship was capsizing after having been hit with multiple bombs and torpedoes John C. England repeatedly returned to his ship to rescue shipmates trapped below deck. Was posthumously decorated for his actions.

Ideally for a DD or DW class ship.

An American DE, named for this individual, engaged and sank six Japanese submarines during a 12 day period during WW2.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, April 20, 2020 - 11:22 am: Edit

As mentioned elsewhere on the BBS, yesterday saw a tragic series of events over in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia, where upwards of 16 people have lost their lives. Among the dead is Constable Heidi Stevenson of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who leaves a history of 23 years of service to her fellow Canadians. While the ongoing investigation into this tragedy remains in its early stages, a series of tributes have been made in her memory.

I wish to request that a Federation Police ship be named in honour of Constable Stevenson, as a memorial to her as well as to those both in and out of uniform who will carry on her legacy.

By Gregory S Flusche (Vandar) on Monday, April 20, 2020 - 02:41 pm: Edit

Sounds good

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, April 20, 2020 - 03:58 pm: Edit

I can accept that Gary Carney has personal feelings being a transplanted Canadian (previously from Ireland), and no doubt other Canadians will have similar feelings. But police officers in the U.S. have died in the line of duty just since the start of this year, and members of police forces of other countries have also been killed both in terrorist acts and simply trying to enforce the law. How is Constable Stevenson's death any more important than theirs?

How is Stevenson more worthy than officer Kellywood (tribal police, not that it makes any difference), Trooper Bullock, officer O'Rear, officer Enriquez, officer Kalama, and public safety officer Winkeler who were all gunned down just this year in the line of duty. Or officer Thyne who was dragged to her death by a suspect's vehicle.

That being said, we did name a Federation police ship for police Lt. Babak. But Lt. Babak sacrificed his life to remain behind and provide covering fire for his patrol when they were ambushed by insurgents, earning a "hero of the Soviet Union" medal in the process.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, April 20, 2020 - 05:11 pm: Edit

About a dozen police officers die in the line of duty in the US every month (48 this year to date), plus those in Canada, in UK, in Germany, in well, name a country. If we named a ship for each one we'd run out in a year. We only name them for police officers who win the equivalent of the medal of honor (Victoria Cross, Knights Cross, Hero of the Russian Republic) and die in the active line of duty, usually the equivalent of combat. (Okay, back in the day we named half a dozen after television and movie characters, but not any more, not for decades. We cannot delete them as it would take far too long to make sure the name wasn't used in a scenario or something.) Getting killed on duty isn't enough. The officer has to go above and beyond the line of duty.

By Chris Dunivan (Cdunivan) on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 06:51 pm: Edit

If the DJ is playing requests...

I'm planning to buy a Province-class/Texas-class to make the USS Arkansas, and sure would appreciate it if it could be added to the database, since 0944 looks to be available.

That would also put it between the Oklahoma (945), our next-door neighbor, and the Virginia (943). The last USS Arkansas (1980 - 1998) was a Virginia-class nuclear guided missile cruiser (CGN-41), and the next one is slated to be a Virginia-class nuclear powered attack sub (SSN-800), so the placement would seem appropriate.