| By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Wednesday, March 02, 2022 - 02:14 pm: Edit |
I'm not so sure about that. It's that forward "truncated PC hull" that enables the TK5 to move freely through web. If the Tholians kept the Romulan boom, the ship's phasesr could still be modified to fire through web, but the ship itself, with pure Klingon/Romulan hull, could not move through the web any better than the Romulans themselves could. So cutting off the boom would require the Tholians to spend more resources (part of a PC hull) but would also create a tactically more capable ship, especially for web defense.
Quote:...nothing prevents them from just cutting the boom off and replacing it with a truncated PC hull. Though, again, I doubt they would since they only did that because they didn't have the boom. With a Romulan version, they get the boom.
| By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Wednesday, March 02, 2022 - 02:39 pm: Edit |
Speaking of web defense, I always thought the Tholians kind of blew it with the actual TK5. Compared to the standard Tholian DD, the ship has a lot more phasers and one extra battery, but only generates the same power (19) and has much worse shields. Also, it's not as maneuverable. Despite the impressive phaser power, I'm not convinced it's better, overall, than a standard DD for fighting in open space. It will have a much heavier initial punch but the sustainable firepower (in any battle in which significant maneuvering will be required) will be more limited by generated power (19 for both ships) than by number of weapons. And the Tholian DD will still have far superior shields and maneuverability. More to the maneuverability issue, the Tholian weapon arcs are better, allowing it to engage effectively through more shields as the three forwarded shields are knocked down.
So what would I have done as the Tholians? One minor change - I would have swapped out the disruptors on the F5 rear hull for more phaser-1s, and turned the ship into a dedicated wedding cake defense ship. The TK5 does have web generators and so can maintain web. As a web defense ship it will be doing less maneuvering than in an open space battle, and so will have the power available to take full advantage of the impressive number of phasers. And fighting in a wedding cake defense, the weaker shields and inferior maneuverability (compared to the standard Tholian DD) won't matter as much. So... while the TK5 may or may not (depending on specific situation) be better in open space than a standard DD, the "phaserboat" version would be much better as a wedding cake defender.
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Wednesday, March 02, 2022 - 03:35 pm: Edit |
I tend to doubt it because the Tholians are always hard-up for ships. With the TK5 they took an F5 rear hull (not a ship) and a PC hull (a ship) to make a new ship that was more powerful than just the PC. For this supposed ship, they'd be taking an F5 (a ship) and a PC hull (a second ship) and make a single ship about the same power as the converted F5 would be. I figure they would take the full F5 and convert it for their use (converting one ship into another ship) and let the PC be a PC. This is getting a new ship.
Quote:I'm not so sure about that. It's that forward "truncated PC hull" that enables the TK5 to move freely through web.
| By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Wednesday, March 02, 2022 - 04:02 pm: Edit |
Mike,
Yeah, I understand your reasoning and it does make sense. But I also prefer the TK5 (even the standard 2 disruptor, 7 phaser-1 version) as defense support ship rather than an open space combatant. You probably already gathered this from my 2:39 PM post. Your equivalent, Romulan-hull version would be much harder to use in that role.
Still, there's no disputing that you are right about Tholians being hard-up for ships.
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Wednesday, March 02, 2022 - 07:36 pm: Edit |
It's fine. The main points just being that:
1) Always go back to the original design before modifying.
2) The Tholians could make a TK5 out of a KF5R if they really wanted to.
... and none of this has anything to do with CL 55.
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Thursday, March 03, 2022 - 08:31 am: Edit |
The federation starts selling unwanted federation destroyers they don’t need anymore
| By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Thursday, March 03, 2022 - 11:09 am: Edit |
SVC, can you comment on the above?
Is it the Tholian HULL that gives them "web pass" or is it some gizmo? IIRC, SVC said long ago that the Tholians, when fighting a civil war, can't pass through their enemies webs.
Like there is a special thingy attached to the web generator, which has a "frequency" or such...
| By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Thursday, March 03, 2022 - 12:16 pm: Edit |
Mike,
I can't give an official answer, of course. But the following seems pretty clear.
(G10.53) THOLIAN UNITS: Tholian units may move through webs without expending extra energy. Tholian auxiliaries (e.g., AuxCVs) count as Tholian units even if some were built by foreign powers.
(G10.531) Ships captured by or allied to the Tholians do not have this benefit. This ability can never be transferred to non-Tholians. (There is a solitary exception in the case of the TK5, which was built from the front half of a PC and the rear half of a Klingon F5. The Tholian portion of the ship provided the Tholian benefits.)
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, March 03, 2022 - 03:05 pm: Edit |
I think G10.53 covers it.
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Thursday, March 03, 2022 - 08:22 pm: Edit |
In a game where you are trying to find the alien Dracula you would have to use the marines rules
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Friday, March 04, 2022 - 09:08 am: Edit |
Dracula hides in different areas of the ship
| By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Friday, March 04, 2022 - 06:55 pm: Edit |
Intruder Alert! (Which scenario was that anyway??)
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Saturday, March 05, 2022 - 09:47 am: Edit |
Dracula could be also used in prime directive
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Saturday, March 05, 2022 - 06:18 pm: Edit |
Federation CA finds federation ship dead in space drifting in space crew all dead bites on their necks by some unknown alien force after hours of investigation they can’t figure what is causing it until it starts killing the crew on the other ship
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Sunday, March 06, 2022 - 07:06 am: Edit |
The CA then detects to their amazement a Romanian Period castle heading towards the CA
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Sunday, March 06, 2022 - 08:33 am: Edit |
According to sensors it is a starship
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Monday, March 07, 2022 - 06:34 am: Edit |
Wonder what a Gorn vampire would be like
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Monday, March 07, 2022 - 06:35 am: Edit |
Wonder what a Gorn vampier be like
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Tuesday, March 08, 2022 - 07:31 am: Edit |
Like to see the class history of the wyn pocket battleship
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Tuesday, March 08, 2022 - 09:28 am: Edit |
Or the class history of the orion CA
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Tuesday, March 08, 2022 - 09:52 am: Edit |
The is only one WYN pocket battleship, so it wouldn't be a class history, so much as a ship history. Which could be cool, but that would be a lot of detail on a single ship, which is always risky from a 'canon' perspective.
A class history for the Orion heavy cruiser (including its evolution into the battlecruiser) would be pretty cool. What would make this article even better is to explain how the ship was used and how it was NOT used. (I tend to find that how it is used is not how the ship description says it was used.) This could be a very fun article, but would take a decent amount of research and would require a lot of Petrick time.
In fact, it could be more than one article. One to cover the class history. One to cover its deployment patterns (both typical and the rare exceptions). Maybe even include some momentous battle for which a scenario is supplied. If someone who can actually spin a story wants to, making a story around that momentous battle into a companion story.
Honestly, I'd love to see that Orion CA content!
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Tuesday, March 08, 2022 - 11:36 am: Edit |
Me to
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Tuesday, March 08, 2022 - 08:15 pm: Edit |
History of the orion slaver
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Wednesday, March 09, 2022 - 01:19 pm: Edit |
And the LR and Cr
| By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Thursday, March 10, 2022 - 08:32 pm: Edit |
Class history on the orion sal ship
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