If you look at this map, it doesn't show anything from the Gazetteer in or near the triple-point in question. Open circles represent anything from the Gazetteer that isn't already marked on the map as a Major/Minor Planet.

That said, do remember that every F&E hex will contain at least a thousand "interesting" planets or other stellar system. No reason that you can't help "fill in the map" by coming up with your own worlds.

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All SB & BATS do have numbers, as printed on the F&E Mega-Map. If you want a list, see my posts form 2017 under: Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board --> Federation & Empire --> F&E INPUT --> F&E Large Scale Map update project. Be sure to check the posts after as I caught a minor typo.


Garth L. Getgen

By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Friday, July 08, 2022 - 02:48 pm: Edit

Is there a PDF available of the mega-map?

--Mike

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Friday, July 08, 2022 - 03:22 pm: Edit

Great list, Garth. See? I told you that you were good at other things!
(Some people collect stamps, I insult strangers online, got to have a hobby.)
Seriously though, that's some great information. I suspect I'll reference it often.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, July 08, 2022 - 04:48 pm: Edit

There is no pdf for sale of the Large Scale Map (LSM). Could be something to request.

By Randy Green (Hollywood750) on Friday, July 08, 2022 - 04:55 pm: Edit

Joseph, Blackfoot Pass was basically the only way to get through an otherwise impassable asteroid field that stretched over about 100 Parsecs. Orions discovered it, and used it for a smuggling route, until a pirate was captured by the Klingons. Then the Orions sold the location to the Feds for some quick dough. Some scenarios for the Pass included SL20, SH39, and SL78. Only combatants seem to have been Klingons and Feds. Until possibly now, of course...

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Saturday, July 09, 2022 - 02:24 pm: Edit

I'm glad to see other people are finding the lists and map to be useful. I mean, I did those for my own use / curiosity, but if others can benefit, so much the better.


Garth L. Getgen

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, July 09, 2022 - 11:37 pm: Edit

While not directly at the triple border region, it might be worth bearing the nearby "Zone of Influence" - the six border provinces that were fought over during the two Federation-Kzinti wars - in mind, as a source of lingering tension between any Fed or Kzinti characters involved.

Even though the end of the Second Federation-Kzinti War saw the Hegemony formally renounce all territorial claims to the ZoI, the Kzintis have not forgotten about what to them was a major loss of territory and prestige. While many Cygnan or Mantorese characters would no doubt continue to regard their former occupiers with a heightened sense of distrust... as might other Fed characters old enough to have served on the front lines of that prior war.

In fact, if I recall correctly, there's even an alternate General War scenario over in Federation and Empire, Demon of the Eastern Wind, that offers rules covering what happens if the Feds find themselves obliged to call upon Kzinti "help" in terms of keeping the ZoI out of Coalition hands.

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Sunday, July 10, 2022 - 01:55 pm: Edit

Thanks Garth, your input has been beyond price.
It's challenging to play catchup to 50 years of SFU history. Wish I'd been along for the whole ride. But you are spot on, the ZoI offers some great background and would well serve any number of character backstories.
Also, Randy, I found SL20 particularly informative. Thank you!
The quest for knowledge continues. Lots more questions to come. Thanks everyone!

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Sunday, July 10, 2022 - 09:07 pm: Edit

Ok, if you had a Federation starship, say the galactic survey cruiser, Darwin. You'd designate it as USS 1802 Darwin.
If you had a police cutter, Texas Ranger, you would just designate it: police cutter Texas Ranger.
But if you had a small Federation ship that was transferred to the police service, would it keep its numbered designation or be reduced to police 'class' such-and-such?
Example: Federation corvette USS 0294 Xique, if transferred to the police service, would become: police corvette Xique? Loosing the USS and numbered registry?

By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Monday, July 11, 2022 - 02:24 am: Edit

I don't think anyone has referred to them in quite that format before. It's usually "galactic survey cruiser Darwin". The hull number is almost never used in fiction, except in lists of ships occasionally.

I believe this reflects use in modern day Navy where it's just the ship names (everyone involved knows Vinson is a carrier and Momsen is a destroyer and unless someone is preparing a report nobody except BuShips cares about the hull numbers on the side of them).

For Tenneshington Decals, we assign all police cutters registry numbers in the Federation Police series.

Such as:
F.P.C. Peacekeeper PCC-118
F.P.C. Masterson PCC-1853
F.P.C. Callahan PCC-2211
F.P.C. Deckard PCC-26354

This is with F.P.C. standing for Federation Police Cutter and PCC standing for Police Construction Contract. That was all cleared with ADB, ages ago.

I'd assume fleet ships seconded to the Police service would sometimes keep their names, sometimes be re-named, much as happens when they transfer between services in the current day.

The NCC would almost certainly be replaced by PCC and probably a different hull number, since the existing NCC number would probably not be available.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, July 11, 2022 - 02:24 pm: Edit

For what it's worth, the paragraph headers for scenes set aboard a given Star Fleet ship in the Return of the Darwin story from Captain's Log #54 list the NCC registry for the ship in question: not least of which being NCC-1802 USS Darwin herself.

In the text of the story proper, certain ships have their full designation listed the first time they are introduced, which is shortened to the name of the ship thereafter. So, the Star Fleet advanced cruiser NCC-1782 USS Masada is referred to as such when it first enters the story, and then simply as the Masada from that point onward.

This is by no means an official guideline, of course.

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A question on the above registry listings:

Would Federation Police ships based on non-POL hull types retain the FPC designation?

For example, would an FLG also be FPC, or might it be FPF (for "Federation Police Flagship")?

By Randy Green (Hollywood750) on Monday, July 11, 2022 - 05:02 pm: Edit

For Federation NCC numbers, go to starfleetgames.com/masterindex.shtml There is a link. I presume the list is not exhaustive, but it is pretty extensive. It is a thorough universe that has been built here.

Also, that page has a large number of helpful links.

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Monday, July 11, 2022 - 06:14 pm: Edit

So if I'm reading you all correctly, one would be within a zone of safety if for example:
The hypothetical FKA-1999 Prince, could also be written as Formerly Known As Prince, without the 1999. After which, you could just call it Prince. Unless,
it was transferred to a different service where it might be redesignated as:
The Artist. With or without partying like its -well, you know.

By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Monday, July 11, 2022 - 06:53 pm: Edit

Noting the first-mention situation that Gary reminded me of, in fiction I would write:

For the first mention of the ship:

Y167 Bridge, USS Prince NCC-1999

Captain Purple was uncomfortable in his new command chair. Prince was a shiny new battlescow and the paint still smelled fresh...


Subsequent mentions in dialog like this:

"Give me an estimate on when Prince will arrive, Mr. Nelson. We could use a battlescow's firepower, here."

Nelson dipped his head into his scanner for a moment, then replied, "I estimate the Prince should rendezvous with us in 1 hour, Sir".


And if the ship changed hands, later, like this:

Y198 Bridge, F.P.C. Artist PCC-7777

Captain Fink was uncomfortable in his ratty, old command chair. Artist was once a proud battlescow of the line in Star Fleet. She was named Prince then, but any associations to royalty faded with years and mission-wear.

Star Fleet seconded her to the Police a long time ago. She'd been renamed, re-registered, and soldiered on against pirates, tariff dodgers, and crooked event promoters. Now, Artist was a tired old warrior. Still performing, but struggling to swing the axe quite so high...


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Gary -

When I first cleared F.P.C as the ship name prefix, the Pol cutters were the only minis to worry about. Since Shapeways opened the floodgates to other types of hulls, I now consider the acronym to be Federation Police Craft.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, July 11, 2022 - 08:01 pm: Edit

"Federation Police Craft" works for me.

Actually, speaking of decals for minis of "repurposed" ships: I wonder how best one might capture the, shall we say, "hand-drawn" nature of the revised registry on the Fralli ship Powerista...

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Monday, July 11, 2022 - 09:52 pm: Edit

The Fralli have got to be the purest form of red-neck in the galaxy. I love that ship.
Also, Will M., those last two lines . . . had me rolling on the floor.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, July 12, 2022 - 12:08 am: Edit

Police Vessel could also work. Another one might be Auxiliary Cutter, especially for the one based on the APT hull.

You haven't asked about how the Police Force is organized. I posted some thoughts on that back on 14 August 2019 at 04:47-AM. Navigate to this thread:

Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board --> Captain's Log --> New Fiction --> Federation Police Cutter -- Crew Roster --> Archive through August 14, 2019

Short version: one POL has a Patrol Sector; a Squadron of 5-7 POL covers a Precinct; and a Wing made up of 4-6 Squadrons covers a District. In early days (Y125 - Y140), there aren't enough POL to go around, so Patrol Sectors might cover three or four F&E hexes, and there are only three or four Districts. A large chunk of the UFP in not covered by any District and thus has no POL on routine patrol. By Y168, the Police Force is large to meet the goal of one Patrol Sector = one F&E hex and one Precinct covers one Province.


Garth L. Getgen

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Tuesday, July 12, 2022 - 07:40 am: Edit

So, there are custom uniforms aboard the Prince?

Ruffled Shirts and "A**less" chaps?

I love the "Charlie Murphy" story about partying with Prince and his crew

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Tuesday, July 12, 2022 - 11:34 am: Edit

"Battlescow?"

The Hawks may love a name like that, but it's the sort of thing that'll make the Doves in the Federation cry.

By Randy Green (Hollywood750) on Tuesday, July 12, 2022 - 01:16 pm: Edit

Stop, stop, stop! Putting my beret on, and blowing yall a raspberry now.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, July 12, 2022 - 09:37 pm: Edit

It's a Battlescow in name only; it's really just a Corvette.


Garth L. Getgen

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Tuesday, July 12, 2022 - 09:44 pm: Edit

Baby, it's a red corvette . . .

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Tuesday, July 12, 2022 - 10:05 pm: Edit

Duh! I've been looking at PD: Federation all week, and never looked up the Frigate! Also, some good info on police in there. As usual, I'm in everybody's debt for good info and good humor.

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Sunday, July 17, 2022 - 06:45 pm: Edit

Today I accidentally deleted 2.5 scenes of good story telling.
After about 90 minutes of cussing, swearing, mindless shock, depression, exasperation, denial, web searching a solution (there was none), and crying to my wife I went back to work.
I self imposed a new procedure to avoid the fatal error in the future, and I'm rewriting the lost material.
Who knows, maybe writing it twice will make it twice as good.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Sunday, July 17, 2022 - 09:56 pm: Edit

Been there, done that. Hate to tell you this, but there's no tee shirt for it. Maybe there should be.


Garth L. Getgen