Andromedans are tribbles. The Galactic Powers knew the Andromedan ships were infested with tribbles, but never made the connection and figured out that the Andromedans and the tribbles were the same.

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Friday, February 10, 2023 - 06:01 am: Edit

Robot space dragon was created by some sort of ancient race instead of fire it fires an energy beam it’s claws tears holes into a starship injects a bio toxic that kills crew units

By Ginger McMurray (Gingermcmurray) on Friday, February 10, 2023 - 10:57 am: Edit

Jay, write it up and submit it.

By Joseph Jackson (Bonneville) on Friday, February 10, 2023 - 02:19 pm: Edit

I've changed my mind. Terry's comment has convinced me. Andromedans are indeed Tribbles (in my mind anyway). I'll never be able to un-think that now.
I'm thrilled and disappointed at the same time.

By James Cummins (Jamescummins) on Friday, February 10, 2023 - 03:38 pm: Edit

I just realized that the coordinated attack from the periphery of the Alpha quadrant i suggested earlier, could lead to a Schengen border situation, between the Alphas powers since the borders were devastated in the general war, still recovering during the Andro invasion, and with this assault and the Alpha's working together would soften the borders, and this could then lead to the Trade wars as old hard borders become soft and porous, as the National fleets need to cross and re-cross the border for mutual defense.

By Douglas Saldana (Dsal) on Friday, February 10, 2023 - 07:24 pm: Edit

I am intrigued by this Andro-Tribble Theory.

By Randy Green (Hollywood750) on Friday, February 10, 2023 - 07:49 pm: Edit

That theory has kind of a push-pull hold on me, Douglas.

By A David Merritt (Adm) on Friday, February 10, 2023 - 08:48 pm: Edit

The big hole in this theory;
The Klingons survived the Andromedan War.

By Douglas Saldana (Dsal) on Friday, February 10, 2023 - 10:08 pm: Edit

They had something special planned for the Klingons. And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling Feds.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 09:56 am: Edit

Twist on the tribbles theory: they aren't just tribbles. They are "worms that walk" groupings of otherwise mindless tribbles. Each individual Andro is a collection of tribbles that then share a single mind. Any individual tribble isn't necessarily important to the collective, but loose too many and the collective suffers.

Watching them envelope a victim is horrifying. The screams last a surprising long time. Klingons are their favorite and they really slow down and enjoy their meal ...

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 10:10 am: Edit

The Andromedains are from the future something bad happened went back in time arrived in the Andromeda galaxy

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 11:12 am: Edit

Andromedans all look like Barbara Bouchet.

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 01:00 pm: Edit

The Andromedans are Cylons

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 02:38 pm: Edit

I've always pictured the Andromedans as disembodied brains in life support equipment/robots, kinda like an "Alien Villain" from Grade-B matinee Sci-Fi from the `50's. There are only a very few of them aboard their ships and their "Life Support" power cost is more for individual unit shielding (which also can explain their immunity to being drained by Souldra), perhaps one per crew unit. All other "Crew" on an Andromedan ship is a robot WITHOUT a disembodied brain to support (which also explains why nobody's seen a "Living" Andromedan and all "Interactions" with the "Crew" are with robots).

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 03:15 pm: Edit

To bring the topic back to proposed ships for CL55, I would like to see a conjectural Federation Advanced Technology PF Tender. The Feds already have conjectural tenders for their conjectural PFs, but none are X-tech.

Description here.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 04:16 pm: Edit

My vote is for 'evil spirits', literal ghosts in the machine. The reason no one can make Andro tech work is because it requires literally supernatural influences.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 07:19 pm: Edit

The Feds have two published PF tenders: the NPF and SCSA. Instead of an X-tech PF tender, I'd like to see PF versions of all ships that carry F-111s on mech links. In particular, I'd like to see the PF versions of the ADW, CVH, and DCS. The BCS would be cool, too. But I'd like to see all of them.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, February 11, 2023 - 08:18 pm: Edit

Mike,

I have no objection to those other Fed PF tenders. I just think that giving them an X-tech tender is most important. Even if only a couple of options, they do already have ways to field PF flotillas in a conjectural campaign. But currently they do not have a way to provde a dedicated tender to an X-tech fleet.<sup>*


*</sup>Actually, they might already have one way, a tender basd on their HDWX. But I'd still like to see a GVX-based one.

By Jamey Johnston (Totino) on Sunday, February 12, 2023 - 01:36 am: Edit

Maybe Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is an Andromedan.

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Sunday, February 12, 2023 - 12:26 pm: Edit

Daleks

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Sunday, February 12, 2023 - 02:52 pm: Edit

Cybermen

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Sunday, February 12, 2023 - 06:11 pm: Edit

The Andromedans are one person the Master from Doctor who
I am the Master and you will obey me. Ha Ha Ha evil laughter

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Saturday, February 25, 2023 - 02:04 pm: Edit

Doctor loveless from the wild wild west

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Saturday, February 25, 2023 - 02:05 pm: Edit

Is the andromedans

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Saturday, February 25, 2023 - 07:02 pm: Edit

To bring the discussion back to ships for possible inclusion in CL55, here are three I would like to see for the Tholians. They are in order from my most desired to least desired.

1) A "phaser-boat" version of the CAN from Module R10 - The New Cruisers; replacing all disruptors and/or photon torpedoes in both the "belly pack" and the main hull with phaser-1s.

The CAN is a Tholian CW with a "belly pack" (containing two disruptors, two batteries, four APR, and two hull) wielded on. The CPN is the photon torpedo version, witch also adds four AWR instead of four APR. The MC is increased to one and the turn mode is now "C" rather than "B". Breakdown is also worse than the basic CW; 4-6 instead of 5-6.

The CAN and CPN are not, in my opinion, actually very useful for the Tholians. On the surface, six heavy weapons on an MC-1 cruiser, with no shock, seems impressive. But the ships are underpowered for their time period and weapon suite. More importantly, they only have 24 warp engine boxes; giving them a maximum speed of only 25. This is just too slow in an era of fast drones and plasma-sabot; PFs and megafighters. And even at more moderate speeds it will have less long-term firepower than even the basic CW, due to lack of power for arming weapons. If the tactical situation calls for a speed of, say 18; the CAN would spend 22 points for movement + housekeeping, leaving 13 (not counting the batteries) for weapons and EW. The basic CW would only spend 16 for movement + housekeeping, leaving 15 for weapons and EW. The CAN does have two additional batteries. But if it has to sustain moderate-to-high speeds for several turns, it just doesn't have the power to effectively use its weapons.

But the "phaser-boat" version; with no torpedoes but 11 phaser-1s, would be truely useful as a web-defense ship supporting Tholian bases.

This ship is my first preference for CL55 because it could be a real ship, while numbers 2 and 3 woul be conjectural.

2) An SSD for the Tholian Battle Tug based on the (conjectural) ATG from Module R9 - The Ships That Never Were. That modue also includes a conjectural battle pod, based on the Fed battle pod but replacing the drones with additional phaser-3s. The Tholian ATG-based Battle Tug would be excrucitingly slow; slower even than the Fed Battle Tug. But with better shields and weapons than a Fed Battle Tug, it could be a very effective ship for assaulting enemy fixed positions in any campaign allowing conjectural units.

3) A Battle Tug based on the conjectural Neo-Tholian NTG, also from Module R9 - The Ships That Never Were. While the shields aren't as good as the ATG-based Battle Tug, and it doesn't have the hull-mounted disruptors, it does have more total power and the CoM retains its web caster. Like the ATG-based Battle Tug, too slow and unmaneuverable to be a truely effective combatant in open space; but potentialy a very effective ship for assaulting enemy bases or planets.

It is priority 3 because in a campaign the Tholians would presumably be strictly limited in their number of NCAs (and there are more useful roles for that ship) but could preumably build ATGs if such a ship were desired.