By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 03:20 am: Edit |
When I was a senior in high school in 1969, we studied the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.
The old Syrian government knew better than to attack Israel. Factions inside Syria attacked Israel constantly; the new Syrian government is not an Iranian puppet, but doesn’t control much of the country and Iranian puppet factions continue to attack Israel from Syrian territory.
Apparently Paul thinks that Fatah/Hamas in the West Bank has a right to attack Israel and Israel has no right to respond with force.
By Paul Howard (Raven) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 05:35 am: Edit |
SVC - 1967 - Very interesting!
Certainly more quick than the UK on deciding what is 'current affairs and what is history' .
West Bank - I don't - but equally, the Israeli's don't have a right to cause violence to West Bank Civilians and move settlers in.
In 50 years time, we can be debating which side was the 'Freedom Fighters'?
Hence better to disagree and move on?
By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 07:51 am: Edit |
1) The Slave Trade was mostly a Dutch thing, IIRC. Don't remember them getting any heck over it.
2) The people that ENSLAVED free people in Africa were the local Africans. So King A on the coast would war with his neighbors and enslave his enemies. Sell them to Dutch Slave ships. Use the profits to arm his warriors, etc. It's not like Captain Slaveship would just land a few troops and round up the first people he saw.
3) The Spanish & Portuguese were big slave owners too. I can't believe that the Belgians & French didn't get involved.
4) Several exposes have been made on how the Arab Gulf Nations kept buying slaves until modern times. Even going so far as to castrate the male ones.
By MarkSHoyle (Bolo) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 08:30 am: Edit |
4) Several exposes have been made on how the Arab Gulf Nations kept buying slaves until modern times.
There were several times (80/90s) where one of the countries / tribes that took prisoners (sold as slaves) had a new King, the King sued the International Court. The suit alleged the loss of revenue from not being able to sell slaves....
By Paul Howard (Raven) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 10:00 am: Edit |
Mike and Mark
Alas, 'revisionist history' has been fairly active in the UK for the last 2 or 3 years or so - with Slavery being seen as 'Englands creation' and near the top of those revisions.
(It even went so far as various Bronze Statues of famouns Philanthropists being pulled down and destroyed - because they had made some (might have been alot, but not always) money from the Slave Trade - for example Edward Colston of Bristol was clearly the the inventor of Slavery - the books on Indians, Egyptions, Aztecs and Vikings etc is clearly wong, as they was nice to everyone.....)
By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 10:33 am: Edit |
>> It's not like Captain Slaveship would just land a few troops and round up the first people he saw.
You mean what was depicted in Roots on TV in 1977 was inaccurate? I'm shocked!
--Mike
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 10:35 am: Edit |
For every black slave brought to America, nine were sold to the Middle East. The Arabs raided Europe for slaves and loot virtually every year from 800 to 1300.
By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 11:17 am: Edit |
Paul Howard:
For goodness sake, why don’t you just go back and learn some English History.
A quick google search found this:
“The Southwest of England was subjected to repeated slave raids by barbary corsairs in 1625–1626. In the summer of 1625, the Barbary corsairs attacked ships in the Bristol Channel, which was followed by slave raids in Mount's Bay, from which around sixty men, women and children were abducted into slavery.”
Another quick search revealed that there was slavery in Saxon England during the 12 th and 13 th centuries.
By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 11:51 am: Edit |
Slavery has existed throughout history.
It should be noted that the term "Slave" is the Ottoman derivation for the ethnic Slavs, who were their primary target for slave raids.
I'm sure you all remember the episode of The Original Series in which Kirk, Uhura, and Chekov were kidnapped and used as gladiators? Certainly, we use the term "Quatloos" frequently enough here on the boards...
Anyhow, the people in that episode were called "Thralls" by the Gamesters; if I remember correctly, the term itself is germanic in origin and yes, it was used to refer to people in forced servitude (i.e.: slaves).
(Of course, it's also the basis for the term "Enthralled," but that's probably a different subject.)
As to the question of why the Arabic (?) term for someone in forced servitude became the prevalent one, I can only guess, but I would suspect that, in virtually all other cultures, the forced servitude was something that a person could end of their own actions, such as "Buying" their freedom. By contrast, those "Enslaved" under conditions in the Islamic world (which ended up translating elsewhere) had fewer rights and no hope for being able to escape the nightmare by their own efforts.
My guess, so it's probably wrong. Nevertheless, is it something that seems to fit with any of your studies of history?
Oh! One other thing...
I remember reading (once) that under Jewish tradition, a person, regardless of any outside efforts (or lack thereof) on their part, could be held in forced servitude for a period no longer than seven years. After that time, they HAD to be released/freed.
Quite different from their Arabic neighbors, don't you think?
By Paul Howard (Raven) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 11:58 am: Edit |
Jeff
Sorry - you might want to read some of my earlier posts - I absolutely know England didn't create Slavery - alas Revisionist Historians in the UK feel 'we did'
I was hoping the reference to the Egyptions and Aztecs made my comment very much 'tongue in cheek' - sorry if you didn't notice my attempt at humour.
By Douglas Lampert (Dlampert) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 01:01 pm: Edit |
Jeff: There's a law in Leviticus that slaves are freed after IIRC seven years, with a rule for what to do if the slave refuses his freedom, which was appearantly seen as plausible by the people writing that rule.
I don't know how well that rule was obeyed.
Paul: OBVIOUSLY it's all England's fault. After all, England had local emancipation of slaves relatively early and in 1807 started seriously trying to forbid the international slave trade, long before anyone else did anything significant to prevent it. So, CLEARLY, if England had really cared they could have done all that much earlier and prevented much suffering. For my next trick, I shall blame the police for crime because they show up at the crime scene after the crime rather than right before when they could prevent it.
By MarkSHoyle (Bolo) on Tuesday, January 28, 2025 - 02:05 pm: Edit |
You can argue in many cases slavery was preferable to the alternative...
Warfare brought the elimination of armies, in cases it also had a scorched earth policy, where even women and children suffered....
Somewhere along the line, keeping women/children even some men became a better policy than just eliminating them.....
Was bringing a possible enemy, set on revenge, a good policy, have to view that case by case...
By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Wednesday, January 29, 2025 - 08:47 am: Edit |
IIRC there were slaves in the Ottoman Empire right up until it fell after WW1. Mauritania had slavery until the 70s or 80s I think.
Note that the Bible AND Koran allow slavery.
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, February 03, 2025 - 04:34 pm: Edit |
By Vincent Solfronk (Vsolfronk) on Wednesday, February 05, 2025 - 10:13 pm: Edit |
The NYT Obit for Valarie Andre who led a pretty astounding life:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/05/world/europe/valerie-andre-dead.html
By Vincent Solfronk (Vsolfronk) on Thursday, February 06, 2025 - 10:06 pm: Edit |
Harry Stewart Jr. Dies at 100; One of Last Tuskegee Airmen to See Combat:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/05/us/harry-stewart-jr-dead.html
By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Friday, February 21, 2025 - 11:01 pm: Edit |
Kermit weeks channel, on you tube posted a vlog on his A-26 bomber project.
At the last third of this weeks video, was a “mystery project”.
Chino airport, CA (video is dated last week of January 2025.)
Beginning of a restoration project on a recently recovered(bought at auction) B-25B bomber.
The interesting part for some, is the serial number of the bomber is within four digits of another bomber that was flown by Jimmy Dolittle off of the U.S.S. hornet on the Tokyo bombing raid in 1942.
It is expected that there may be considerable interest in this particular restoration.
By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, February 22, 2025 - 02:49 pm: Edit |
The battleship texas face book page had an update on the status of the Battleship U.S.S. texas.
There is a vote scheduled in the city of Galveston city council, on a proposal to dock the Battleship between piers #16 (princess cruise line terminal) and pier #15 (a proposed cruise line terminal for another cruise line corporation.)
The idea is that tourism will provide money (through sale of admission tours of the ship) to both pay for annual docking fees to the city, and provide money to support the maintenance of the battleship.
By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, February 24, 2025 - 12:42 pm: Edit |
The Mighty Moo.
Written by Nathan Canestaro.
Copyright, 2024.
New book that some might find interesting:
About the U.S.S. Cowpens, CVL-25.
One of the Independence class light carriers, converted from Cleveland class light cruisers. At the start of World War 2.
I am a out half way through the book now, pretty good story, based mostly on letters, diaries and interviews with surviving crew members.
The subtitle on the cover reads “The U.S.S. Cowpens and her epic World War 2 journey from jinx ship to the Navy’s first Carrier to enter into Tokyo Bay, “
By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, March 08, 2025 - 05:41 pm: Edit |
Two days ago, the City of Galveston, TX. Voted to permanently dock the U.S.S. Texas at Pier 15, Galveston Harbor.
The Texas is nearing completion of a three year refit.
There is still a lot of work that needs completion, including the fighting top (a three deck housing that is normally positioned atop of a tripod.)
The teak decking has been restored, but it appears none of the anti aircraft guns have been positioned in the gun tubs. The 14 inch primary and 5 inch secondary armaments have been restored to their positions. No 20mm or 40mm guns are in place.
By Paul Howard (Raven) on Tuesday, March 18, 2025 - 03:18 am: Edit |
And then there was none.
The last surviving Battle of Britain pilot, John "Paddy" Hemingway, has died at the age of 105.
I don't know if any German Pilots are still alive (the article refers to John as being the last survivor and the last RAF Survivor), but in the UK - we now move from living history to history - and we will miss.
I think it's fair to say, John had a lucky life - he survived 4 bailings out from the various planes he flew!!!!
John "Paddy" Hemingway, thank you for your service and may you Rest in Peace.
By Vincent Solfronk (Vsolfronk) on Tuesday, March 18, 2025 - 12:50 pm: Edit |
Blue skies Hemingway!
By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Tuesday, March 18, 2025 - 03:01 pm: Edit |
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds,—and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of—wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air ....
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew—
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, March 18, 2025 - 03:26 pm: Edit |
I came her to post what Ryan posted, so I'll leave it to him. Touch the face of God, indeed. A few saved a nation. I think the Angels had some job openings for guardians.
By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Tuesday, March 18, 2025 - 03:26 pm: Edit |
Ryan, I do love that poem.
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