We're always having to calculate stuff and there is no one source of key numbers, such as how long the Enterprise is or how wide the Free Trader is.

So, those who want something helpful to do, Go forth and seek statistics and report them here:

Example:

Jean's car: 5.3m long, 1.3m high, 2.45m wide, source: Toyota specifications

Anything you can find from published SFU and non-SFU sources would be helpful.

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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - 07:40 pm: Edit

I have a ton of stuff measured and posted some back in Feb-18:

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The Franz Joseph shuttle is 25 foot by 15 foot 6 exactly, or 7.64 x 4.7 meters, and stands 8 foot tall, or 2.44 meters.

The ADB shuttle is noticeably smaller. The one in Nick Blank's FFG deck plans 6.5 by 4.0 meters, but some of the other ADB clipart suggests it could be 6.75 x 4.25 meter, NO LARGER THAN 7.00 x 4.50 meters.

Based on SVC's clipart, which he claims it "not to scale" but appears to be pretty dang close to me, I created CAD icons for a couple fighters.

F-18: 7.50 x 5.25 meters, plus an addition meter for the nose spike. Stands 2.00 meters tall with landing gear down.

F-20 & F-20C: 5.00 x 4.00 meter (3.50 meters without drones on wingtips)

F-8: 6.50 x 3.00 meters

F-8+: 6.75 x 4.25 meters (includes drones)

Drone I: 3.00 x 0.25 / 0.75 meters (Length x Body / Fins)
Drone III: 3.75 x 0.375 / 1.50 meters
Drone: IV (Fed): 3.00 x 0.50 / 1.75 meters
Drone IV (Klingon): 4.25 x 0.375 / 1.50 meters
Drone VI: 2.00 x 0.25 / 0.50 meters
ADD dart: 1.50 x 0.20 / 0.375 meters

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Again, those are based off SVC's artwork, and they come out rounded to the nearest 1/8 of a meter (12.5 cm) due to the limitations of my very old CAD program.


Garth L. Getgen

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - 10:59 pm: Edit

I'd rather not base stuff on attempts to scale art.

I'd rather have stuff like "the deck plans for the FT say it is Xm long, Xm wide, and Xm tall."

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 09:02 am: Edit

Well, the Fed FFG, if memory serves, is 95 meters in diameter. MEMORY DOES NOT SERVE. LOOK IT UP OR DON'T POST IT.

The unpublished POL deckplans puts the body at 108 meters long by 27.5 meters wide, and 130 by 70 overall with warp drive, subject to SVC's review.


Garth L. Getgen

By Jack Bohn (Jackbohn) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 10:54 am: Edit

One odd bit of specificity is that R9.49 has the Mongol about 15 meters longer than the Horseman. This does not produce satisfactory results when trying to scale the art in the module.

On the other hand:

Gunboats: about 35m long, source: K0.12, Klingon G1 deckplans


I don't know if you need the Franz Joseph numbers tabulated in this format, but shooting an easy target is still shooting a target, so:

Federation DD: 242.5m long, 60m high, 127.1m wide, source SFTM

Federation Tug: 222m long, 66m high, 127.1m wide, source SFTM

Federation CA: 288.6m long, 72.6m high, 127.1m wide, source SFTM

Federation DN: 320m long, 87m high, 140m wide, source SFTM

Federation "standard" saucer: 127.1m diameter, source SFTM

Federation DN saucer: 140m diameter, source SFTM

Federation "standard" nacelles: 153.6m long, 17.3m diameter, source SFTM

Federation CA aft hull: 103.6m long, 34.1m maximum diameter, source SFTM

Federation DN aft hull: 122m long, 30m maximum diameter, source SFTM

Cargo Pod: 200m long, 40m diameter, source: SFTM

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 11:34 am: Edit

B10 (Source Captain's Log #6)

Deadweight tonnage (metric): 332, 500
Length overall: 363m
Beam overall: 345m
Height overall: 132m

B10V deadweight tonnage (metric): 346, 750
B10S deadweight tonnage (metric): 347, 250

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 11:40 am: Edit

Romulan War Eagle (source McMaster blueprints)

Deadweight tonnage (metric): 25,000
Length overall: 68.2m
Width overall: 90.6m
Height overall: 21.9m

Main hull maximum length: 65.7m
Main hull maximum width: 48.4m
Main hull maximum depth: 10.4m

Engine length overall: 45.5m
Engine maximum diameter: 6.65m

Support wing maximum thickness: 1.5m
Edge length leading: 22.5m
Edge length trailing: 41.m

Standard ceiling height over deck: 2 m

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 11:54 am: Edit

Klingon D7 (source McMaster blueprints)

Deadweight tonnage (metric): 110,000
Length overall: 216.408m
Width overall: 152.4m
Height overall: 55.28m

Primary Hull maximum width: 46.78m
Primary Hull maximum depth: 31.26m
Primary Hull maximum length: 42.67m

Secondary Hull maximum depth: 19.2m
Secondary Hull maximum length: 88.6m

Boom maximum length: 83.8m
Boom maximum width: 5m

Engine length overall: 73.15m
Hangar deck length: 16.2m
Standard ceiling height over deck: 2.38m

Note: The new Shapeways D7 seems to make the above data obsolete.

By Jack Bohn (Jackbohn) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 02:08 pm: Edit

The SFB War Eagle was bumped up from those specs. The dimensions are now closer to the Snipe, which inherited the old mini, but true Snipe numbers should derive from the deckplans.

By Steve Zamboni (Szamboni) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Tholian PC was set at 90 meters.

Tholian Arachnid was mathed at 22 meters (proportional volume compared to the model for the 35-meter G1).

By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 03:26 pm: Edit

The trick is that at least some of the deckplans don't include text listing their specifics. Some just have a meters scale in the views, so pulling the dimensions does involve some Photoshop work and a bit of math.

So far:
FedEx courier is 36 meters long

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, November 21, 2018 - 03:36 pm: Edit

Easier to do with a pair of dividers or by just making two little marks on the edge of a piece of scrap paper and stepping it off. Math is limited to single digit arithmetic, something from the first few weeks of first grade.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Thursday, November 22, 2018 - 09:16 am: Edit

Okay, I double-checked and my memory was right. The Fed FFG is 95 meters diameter, and I'm showing the overall length just a tad over 130 meters. Call it 130.5 meters.

To confirm Steve Z. post: the Tholian PC deck plans put it at 90 meters long. However, comma, I do not know what the Shapeways mini size was made after the debate. The Mongoose mini was much bigger.


Garth L. Getgen

By Jack Bohn (Jackbohn) on Thursday, November 22, 2018 - 10:55 pm: Edit

Shapeways has the 3125 PC at 2.94cm, which does work out to 90ish meters.

If measurements of the Star Fleet Headquarters/starbase are useful:

Docking sphere: 335m diameter, source: SFTM
Main hull: 1,800m diameter, 540m high, source: SFTM

If there is a decision to go with different national starbases, the volume of the main hull will need to be consistent, but the docking spheres probably could vary in size and/or shape with the size and shape of the ships. The Gorns, for example, long and thin. Their DN may fit in the standard sphere, it scales to 311m long, but the aftmost points would be the nacelles, above and below that diameter. Their Dreadnought Cruiser with the large aft bubble scales to 341m long.

By Will McCammon (Djdood) on Friday, November 23, 2018 - 06:01 am: Edit

My FedEx length quoted above is wrong. Please delete that post. (sleep deprivation, I guess).

Free Trader/Prime Trader:
83 Meters long, overall (68 Meters long, body)
50 Meters Wide
(source, GPD 4E)

FedEx Fast Courier
76 Meters long, overall
32 Meters Wide
(source, CL#29)

Some thoughts about the starbases; while the default position is to match the volume of the legacy metal mini (and that will work for the other bases types), in this case there is some weirdness.

The Franz Joseph "Star Fleet Headquarters" the star base is derived from is literally a balloon. The vast majority of it is empty space. As SPP has noted in email, the docking modules are just thin empty shells. The main center body disk is not much denser, with almost their entire volume being false "sky" over the parks and parade grounds of the academy facilities in the 6 segments. Only the outer 1/5 or so is filled with decks (and the "buildings" at each segment joint).

As a one-off monument to peace and learning, I can see something like this (and it's very Trek-ethos). I can't see it making sense for the military starbases and certainly can't see the Klingons building something so "frilly".

If the outer hull shape and size stays the same for military Fed starbases, then I would assume the center body is completely reconfigured for many, many decks of the usual stuff (storage, workshops, offices, quarters, engineering spaces, etc.). A LOT of them, as the main body of the star base is absolutely HUGE.

However, even on the non-frivolous military starbases, I would expect at least one large open space to be retained for visiting starship crews to get some R&R that doesn't feel like just trading one metal tube for a different larger one. It might fill one full deck (possibly the equivalent of several decks for "high bay" height), or a very wide promenade around one deck, but not the whole interior of the disk, as on the FJ base.

Something akin to the promenade and recreation decks on the FJ starliner pod deckplans.

I'd also assume the BS base station and BATS battlestation would also include a similar open-space in the main body. Even under a fake painted sky, some real grass and trees to sit under and some space to play "outdoor" team sports would do wonders for morale.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 02:23 pm: Edit

* The starbase at 1/12000 scale would be 10.8268 inches.
* The starbase at 1/3125 scale would be 41.5747 inches.
* The starbase at 1/3788 scale would be 34.298 inches.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 02:24 pm: Edit

* If the freighter is assumed to use military pods (the 40x200 meter ones from the FJ technical manual), then it can be calculated - With those, the large freighter is .7762 inch at 1/12000 scale (pods at 0.6562 inch).

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 02:26 pm: Edit

From Will: [the base station] looks about right at this size [1/12000]. The SSD says it has about 1/2 again more boxes than a Fed CA and some of those are big volume things like open-space rec areas and cargo decks, so it seems about right at 643 meters. The BATS would be larger, of course but easy to figure out with this in-place.

By Steve Zamboni (Szamboni) on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 02:39 pm: Edit

The BATS model is 2.64 inches across. At 1/12000, the base would be 2640 feet across, or exactly one-half of a mile (805m). (I don't think the original sculptor arrived at that size by accident.)

Superimposed on a map of New York City, the base would be 10 blocks across, armtip to armtip.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 07:43 am: Edit

I think it is entirely possible the unknown original sculptor did indeed hit it by accident, but I have no idea who did it and cannot ask him.

By Jack Bohn (Jackbohn) on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 10:23 am: Edit

It is a puzzlement: My Captain's Logs with the deckplans are not in the bookshelf with the others, they are not at my computer, not in my modeling area, not among my bedside reading. While packing to make a Christmas visit I remembered my bookbag/backpack... not there, either. At least the SkyHawk plans were also in the Romulan RPG books. So, with all credit to Nick Blank:

SkyHawk:
194.4m length
100m width
27.8m height

Hawk-series nacelle:
124m long, (with swivel torp facing forward)
16.8m wide at sphere

SkyHawk module:
38m long
66.4m wide
4 decks, 11.2m high
(Volume is less than l*w*h. The front corners are clipped, which would be easy to account for, and the top is arched, which is harder.)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, January 15, 2019 - 02:55 pm: Edit

Just for note, I rate "pirate cargo boxes" and "warship cargo boxes" (mostly on drone bombardment ships) as one volumetric hull box and "freighter cargo boxes" as two or three volumetric hull boxes.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 10:31 am: Edit

When I drafted the first set of Fed POL deck plans, I made the cargo area exactly 10 x 20 meters, just because it was nice round numbers. I kept it the same in version two and again in version three (hopefully the final version). It's two decks tall, so 2.75 x 2 + 0.25 = 5.75 meters.

Last month, I made a second version of Deck One, one with older larger FJ-style shuttles (757 x 475 cm) and one with smaller, nerwer ADB-sized shuttles (650 x 400 cm). The Plus Refit plans use the ADB-size shuttles.

The rules say each cargo box can carry two in-storage shuttles. If I made the cargo bay any larger, one could probably shoehorn a third shuttle in, violating the rules.


Garth L. Getgen

By Patrick H. Dillman (Patrick) on Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 10:35 am: Edit

I always envisioned in-storage shuttles to be "folded" flat similar to how boxes are done.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Friday, January 18, 2019 - 03:05 pm: Edit

(typo above -- s/b 775 x 475 cm shuttle, not 757 x 475, if anyone cares) ... GLG