I've got to agree Joe that if one of these gets within 6 of a Rom fixed point it will likely die because the Gorn alone can't pin everything out. That doesn't make it an unviable unit though as the combination of Gorn and Fed forces may make it viable in the late war.

By Joe Stevenson (Ikv_Sabre) on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 12:13 pm: Edit

I'll point out that it doesn't have to be 6 away to get the job done.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 12:49 pm: Edit

Concur with Joe's last.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:14 pm: Edit

What is being said is that it is an 'offensive use' base that IMO essentially will be unlikely to see action (and even production) unless you have pushed the Roms back far enough. If this is the case I cannot see much balance value because its a conditional use base.

I am also assuming from what I found regarding balance that this proposal is a balance against something else because it has been offered over in the Rom Carrier/Schedule thread that a "wrong was being righted" by the changes under review there.

Opinion: I just dont see it and doubt neither will most of you once a rule like this is in place.

COUNTERS??
- It will become one of the dusty counters in your tray.
- At a "limit of one (proposed)" and being this is a double sided counter, I would think that once you have purchased the counter sheet with this on it once it becomes redundant in your tray (and I have too many of those already).

Opinion: Personally I'd rather reserve the space on the counter sheet for something way more useful than this one (doubtful) base for the Gorn.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:48 pm: Edit

Lar:

I said I concurred with Joe's last statement but didn't say I concur with the proposal 'as is'; there is room to improve it.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 04:21 pm: Edit

Chuck: That is fine, I wasn't assuming that you were ready to sign off as of yet.

By William E. Wood (Wxmanwill) on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 08:15 pm: Edit

Now, if it can fix X-ships...

By Michael H.Oliver (Mholiver) on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:07 pm: Edit

Well.....can it repair X-ships

By Joe Stevenson (Ikv_Sabre) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 12:57 am: Edit

I have no objection to it repairing X-ships

By Daniel G. Knipfer (Dgknipfer) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 01:05 am: Edit

Repairing X-ships would be fine as it would pay the non-X facility penalty. The cost alone will keep people from abusing it.

By Michael H.Oliver (Mholiver) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:34 am: Edit

Is the cost the same as the OPB (15) and can build one a turn (Base)....but if you wish to limited this unit say build 1 per year ( say Fall).
And can the MRB store EPs or used Base fighter, PFs, and repair mods

By Joe Stevenson (Ikv_Sabre) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:25 am: Edit

"Is the cost the same as the OPB (15)"


Likely


"can build one a turn (Base)....but if you wish to limited this unit say build 1 per year ( say Fall).
"

Probably 1/yr, but I'm open to discuss it


"And can the MRB store EPs"

Probably store, only for use for repairs.


"use Base fighter, PFs, and repair mods "

yes, doubtful (but open to discussion), yes

By Michael H.Oliver (Mholiver) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 05:29 pm: Edit

The OPB, MB and all Bases has scout capability
The FRD, FRD+, FRX and PRD has no scout capability
Planerty Ground Bases has scout capability

The MRB has no scout capability......can someone tell me why this unit does not have The MRB has no scout capability

By Joe Stevenson (Ikv_Sabre) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 06:17 pm: Edit

Because it is basically a self-propelled FRD, with a greater speed.

By Peter Hill (Corwin) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 09:51 pm: Edit

Perhaps it would be better designed a FRM (fleet repair - mobile) rather than calling it a base. Less confusion.

By Joe Stevenson (Ikv_Sabre) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:06 pm: Edit

MRD - Mobile Repair Dock?

By Michael H.Oliver (Mholiver) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:14 pm: Edit

like the name myself... I think the Navy HAS a unit (ship) name the same

What about a FRX type MRB (or MRD) for repairs X-ships without penalty

I think it does need scout capability rated with ground units like 1 EW or 2 EW...MB has a 1 EW...and it will be still defend rating I think

By Joe Stevenson (Ikv_Sabre) on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:21 pm: Edit

MRX for the X-version

Sounds good to me.


"I think it does need scout capability rated with ground units like 1 EW or 2 EW"

Not sure it's warranted, but for the Gorns, I could see an intrinsic G.

By William E. Wood (Wxmanwill) on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 12:22 am: Edit

Well... if the MRB has a scout ability you could pair it with a OPB and throw an FDU on a nearby asteroid and you've an EWN.

This assumes the "B" in MRB really means "Base." Such a tactic could limit that nasty cloaked avoidance of approach battles.

Now, does everything Gorn need an intrinsic G factor? Roms come with NSMs and cloaks. The ISC come with PPDs and good intentions...

Perhaps this could be the one innovation of the Gorn ship designer who upchanneled his suggestion for saucer-less Gorn ships and got packed-off to the Trusteeship Zone. He's back with the mythical 4th race of Gorns (purples) who don't do ground combat well. They throw spanners then run (or hug). However, the "Purps" do fix stuff really well.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 02:20 am: Edit

I really cannot see this having a scout channel...IMHO.

By Joe Stevenson (Ikv_Sabre) on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 08:56 am: Edit

"Now, does everything Gorn need an intrinsic G factor?"

It kind of happens as a matter of course; it doesn't take nearly as many Gorns as it does others to warrant a G (hence the Gorn G bonus for normal ships)

By Trent Telenko (Ttelenko) on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 10:31 am: Edit

Chuck,

The proposal Joe had up thread was W/O special sensors, however, Scott T. does have a point here:

>Anyhow, in SFB, an OPB could have 2xRepair Pods+2xRepair
>Modules (because you can configure it w/ 2 Freighter Aux
>pods and 2 Modules). So it can be already made with a
>Standard OpBase pod anyhow (ie keeping the same COMPOT as
>the plain OpB), nothing new needs to be invented.

An SFB operational auxillary with two repair modules (rather than fighter/PFT), two repair pods and a large military freighter engine set does everything that Joe proposes W/O a new unit being added to the game.

If you want something else, you need to wrestle out a new SFB SSD from Petrick as opposed to a cut and paste of existing SSDs.

If this puppy is based on an operational auxillary base (OAB), the scout sensors are built into the front half of the OA.

By Michael H.Oliver (Mholiver) on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 11:36 am: Edit

I agree with some part of Trent post and IF this is based on a OAB...yes it get scout capability...

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 01:53 pm: Edit

Scout channels, repair capability, self propelled, SMN capability, supply, able to add fighter modules, intrinsic G.

Looks more and more like these things will not be "Gorn Only" without someone crying foul. Can the Romulan/Orion ones have cloak?

Seems like the price should go up as well.

I am thinking that the "Repair ships on map" would do well to replace this whole thread. Because then you could go and propose a Gorn Only "Logistical Repair Ship" (similar to a hospital ship but for repairing ships in the field). They could have the same bonus as FRD rule (422.3 "... Note that a FRD can be a valid end point for the Strategic Movement of a repair ship (105.0) Step 7. This is a limited exception to (421.4)). It would eliminate all this techno-creep about yet another flying base. And at least if these grew to be everybody has them you could give the Gorn freebies or extra of them or limit everyone else.

"MRD - Mobile Repair Dock?"

I know you all know that FRDs have an operational movement of 1. Many people forget this.

So maybe you mean FFRD. "Fast Fleet Repair Dock"

By jason murdoch (Jmurdoch) on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 04:25 pm: Edit

Can one bolt fighter modules on as with an FRD?
Also is this unit capable of being captured?