Let me know when you've got the data so I can finish this.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 07:28 pm: Edit

FED CFS Data already published in SO. Ryan Opel, 7/7/10
FED DDF Data already published in SO. Ryan Opel, 7/7/10
FED FBV Data already published in SO. Ryan Opel, 7/7/10
FED FBS Data already published in SO. Ryan Opel, 7/7/10
FED FBE Data already published in SO. Ryan Opel, 7/7/10

By Stewart W Frazier (Frazikar2) on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 08:30 pm: Edit

I think the HCWs should be stardardized at 8-7/4, that way they're on par with CWLs and short of NCA (or CA) firepower...

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 08:44 pm: Edit

I think all of the E7 ships should be baseline "7" ships (as they aren't more powerful, or significantly weaker) than the D5.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, July 08, 2010 - 09:41 am: Edit

Deleted by Author.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, July 08, 2010 - 10:08 am: Edit

[data already on SIT]

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, July 08, 2010 - 10:21 am: Edit

If you look at what I posted, Turtle, the chart already says that those ships are "already in F&E". Your post of 8 July 10:08 is meaningless as it says basically "do what you already did".

Stew, sorry about my typo, where I listed them as 8/7 or 7/8 should be read as 8-7 or 7-8.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, July 08, 2010 - 10:28 am: Edit

Fed FBD Y175 Thomas Mathews 8 July 2010. YIS for the FFB is Y175
Fed FBT Y175 Thomas Mathews 8 July 2010. YIS for the FFB is Y175.

By Michael H.Oliver (Mholiver) on Thursday, July 08, 2010 - 08:52 pm: Edit

Lyr HCW Y173 Michael H Oliver 8 July 2010. YIS 172Corvent cost CW: 1 Build cost 5.5 Sub for CW 1/Turn Salvage 1.30

(I hope I did this right)

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, July 08, 2010 - 09:21 pm: Edit

Fed FBT 2-6/0-3 From FFB: 1, FFT: 1, FF: 1 For FFB: 4 0.75 Theater Transport, 2 step conversion from FF, Not able to carry Pods (no U symbol) Thomas Mathews 8 July 2010

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Thursday, July 08, 2010 - 11:13 pm: Edit

R2.151 F-FBT. The Fed FBT *CAN* carry a pod, this was a question I asked SPP during development. It does have the increased MC to tow pods table. S.Tenhoff 7-8-10

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 04:17 pm: Edit

Klingon F6B already published in SO: Jason E. Schaff: 7/9/10

Klingon F6E already published in SO: Jason E. Schaff 7/9/10

Klingon F6J already published in SO: Jason E. Schaff: 7/9/10

Klingon F6S already published in SO: Jason E. Schaff: 7/9/10

Klingon F6T 4-7U/2-4 // from F6: 1 F5T: 3 F5: 3(2-step) // For F6: 5 // 1.5 // Theatre Transport: carry 5EPs or pod Jason E Schaff 7/9/10

Romulan JH already published in SO Jason E. Schaff 7/9/10

Gorn DBC already published in SO Jason E. Schaff 7/9/10

Gorn DDC already published in SO Jason E. Schaff 7/9/10

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 04:49 pm: Edit

Fed FBT 2-6U/0-3 Thomas Mathews 9 July 2010 Corrected Factors for the ablity to carry a pod.

Fed FBT Carry 5 EPs Thomas Mathews 9 Jul 2010

Fed FDB 6[4]/3 From FFB: 2, FF: 3, For FFB: 6 0.75 Drone Bombardment Ship, 2 step conversion from FF Thomas Mathews 9 Jul 2010

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 04:52 pm: Edit

By Adam Hickey (Ahickey) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 04:59 pm: Edit

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 06:35 pm: Edit

At least for purposes of this chart, I plan to rate the HCWs and not subsume them. Don't waste any more time suggesting that we do so.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 07:18 pm: Edit

Romulan K4F 1-4{6}(escort)/0-2 // from K4F: 1+6 E4: 1+6(2-step conversion) // see (431.6): 3.5+6 // 0.625
-Jason E. Schaff 7/9/10

Romulan SKR 4-5{6}(escort)/2-3 // from SK: 1+6 // for SK: 4.5+6 // 0.875
- Jason E. Schaff 7/9/10

Kzinti DDS 3-6(scout)/1-3 // from DD: 2 // for DD: 8 // 1.5 // scout variant of destroyer EW=2
-Jason E. Schaff 7/9/10

Kzinti BFF 5-6/3 // from FF: 1 // for FF: 3.5 // 0.875
-Jason E. Schaff 7/9/10
(NB - The BFF has a weapons suite about equal to an FFK, but is beefier.)

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 08:24 pm: Edit

Romulan SKR 4-5[8] (escort symbol)/2-3 from SK?: 1+8 for SK?: 4.5+8 0.875 Carrier Resupply Ship Light Escort Thomas Mathews 9 July 2010 A SkB has 8 fighters for 4 fighter factors in F&E. The size of the module suggests this module would carry 16 fighters, broken down for transport, or 8 fighter factors in F&E.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 08:28 pm: Edit

Fed FBD 6 <4> /3 Thomas Mathews 9 July 2010 Corrected Drone Bombardment Factors from previous post of FBD.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Friday, July 09, 2010 - 09:37 pm: Edit

Regarding the Romulan SKR:

The Klingon F5R, Fed FCR, and Kzinti FCR each have 7 cargo boxes and get 6 FCR factors. The SKR has 8 cargo boxes: I don't think that justifies a 33% increase in FCR factors. (Oddly, the Gorn FCR has only 5 cargo boxes, but still gets 6 FCR factors, suggesting that the whole thing is a kludge anyway!)

Cheers,
Jason

By Kenneth Jones (Kludge) on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 02:23 am: Edit

Looks at self. Do I LOOK like a FCR?

Don't answer that, man that diet better eventually work

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 07:25 am: Edit

Jason, The SkyHawks have a plug and play module for easy mission changes. The SKB and FV are odd in that they have non standard size fighter groups of 8 fighters (4 FE fighter factors) as compared to all the other escort carriers who have 6 fighters (3 FE fighter factors). The difference between the F5 and the SK? is the modules that the SK?s use. While the SSDs show the cargo boxes grouped together on all ships that have them, they may not always be grouped together on the real ship. The exception is the modules used on the SP?, SK? and HDWs, because they can be and are built for more efficient use.

Alto the Romulan designers would plan for a ship capable of replacing all fo the fighters on a SPB with one ship instead of two or more.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 09:28 pm: Edit

Gorn SPS 14PP/7P // from DN: 7 SCS: 2 CVA: 7 // for DN: 25 // 4.5
-Jason E. Schaff 7/10/10
(Notes - same weapons suite as SCS - conversion cost from SCS based on BCV to BCS conversion - other costs extrapolated by addition)

Lyran SPS 12PP/6P // from DN: 7 SCS: 2 CVA: 7 DNP: 2 CA: 12 (2-step) DCS: 7 (2-step) // for DN: 23 // 4.0
-Jason E. Schaff 7/10/10
(Notes - same weapons suite as SCS - conversion cost from SCS based on BCV to BCS conversion - assumed additive build cost - other conversion costs are either by addition or best guesses at screwy Lyran upgrade paths)

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 09:37 pm: Edit

Lyran DDV - change YIS date to Y166: The listed date (120) matches R12 MSC, but is _long_ before Lyran fighter deployment. Suggested date matches the first entry in the DDV carrier data table from R12.
-Jason E. Schaff 7/10/10

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 09:50 pm: Edit

Lyran HFF 4-5/2 // from FF: 2 // for FF: 3 // 0.75
-Jason E. Schaff 7/10/10

Lyran HDD 5-6/3 // from DD: 2 // for DD: 5.5 // 1.375
-Jason E. Schaff 7/10/10

(Notes on both above - offensive weapons suites unchanged, but greater bulk and an extra ESG for each - conversion and build costs are best guesses)


Lyran DDV 3-5(6)/2-3(3) // from DD: 2+12 // for DD: 7+12 // 1.25
-Jason E. Schaff 7/10/10
(Notes - offensive weapons suite similar to DDG - conversion and build costs per similar hulls in other fleets)