OK, review of all scenarios is complete. Data below includes everything found in scenarios, mini-campaigns, campaigns, and scenarios and campaign updates from Captain's Log. It does NOT include material from R section entries, new ships in CL, or the history of the WYN Navy in CL37, all of which will be reviewed for posting, probably tomorrow. Here we go!

WYN FLEET SHIPS:

WYN; SH16; Y181; OCR; (Atonement)

WYN; SH16; Y181; LDD; (Protector)

WYN; SH16; Y181; ZFF; (Dances into the Fire)

WYN; SH16; Y181; ZFF; (Immoveable Object)

WYN; SH16; Y181; AxCV; (Sharolyn)

WYN; SH16; Y181; AxPFS; (Victoria)

WYN; SH16; Y181; AxC; (Ekatrina)

WYN; SH16; Y181; AxC; (Margaritte)

WYN; SH16; Y181; AxC; (Ursula)

WYN; SH16; Y181; AxC; (Beatrix)

WYN; SH16; Y181; KG2; (Defense)

WYN; SH16; Y181; KG2; (Denial)

WYN; SH16; Y181; OLR; (Star Beam)

WYN; SH16; Y181; OLR; (Swift Terror)

WYN; SH16; Y181; FF; (Black Sword)

WYN; SH16; Y181; FF; (Black Hand)

WYN; SH77; Y166; OCR; (Atonement – damaged but survived)

WYN; SH77; Y166; KE4; (Justice Denied – destroyed)

WYN; SH90; Y182; AxDN; (Nancy – crippled, taken in hand for conversion to AxBCS)

WYN; SH117; Y186; CVL; (Green Beast – survived)

WYN; SH117; Y186; DE; (Blue Guard – one DE survived, one destroyed)

WYN; SH117; Y186; DE; (Blue Watch – one DE survived, one destroyed)

WYN; SH117; Y186; CW; (Green Sword – survived)

WYN; SH117; Y186; DD; (Blue Hand – destroyed)

WYN; SH118; Y186; CAX; (Gold Patriarch – “badly crippled”, our of action for the rest of the War of Return)

WYN; SH118; Y186; DDX; (Gold Knight – survived)

WYN; SH118; Y186; DDX; (Gold Marshal – survived)

WYN; SH162; Y186; FZX; (Firebreather – survived)

WYN; SH189; Y187; FF; (Black Light)

WYN; SH200; Y187; FF; (Black Beast – survival implied)

WYN; SH200; Y187; FF; (Black Dragon – survival implied)

WYN; SH200; Y187; HDW; (Orange Knight – survival implied)

WYN; SH219; Y181; DD; (Blue Hand – survived)

WYN; SH219; Y181; AxCV; (Sylvia – destroyed)

WYN; SH260; Y180; DDP; (Blue Destiny – damaged)

WYN; SH269; Y136; YAxC; (Lisa – crippled)

WYN; T6S6; Y180: OCR; (Vengeance)

WYN; T6S6; Y180: OLR; (Starbeam)

WYN; T6S6; Y180: OLR; (Starfuture)

WYN; T6S6; Y180: AxMS; (Candide)

WYN; T8S1; Y185; OCR; (Attonement – crippled)

WYN; T8S1; Y186; OLR; (Middle Dark – destroyed)

WYN; T8S2; Y186; OBR; (Aurora – destroyed)

WYN; T8S2; Y186; OCR; (Vengeance – destroyed)

WYN; T8S2; Y186; OLR; (Dwarf Star – destroyed)

WYN; T8S2; Y186; OLR; (Well of Souls – destroyed)

WYN; T8S3; Y186: OCRX; (Attrition – destroyed)

WYN; T8S3; Y186: CAX; (Gold Patriarch – survived)

WYN; T8S3; Y186: DDX; (Gold Knight – survived)

WYN; T8S3; Y186: DDX; (Gold Marshal – survived)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; CVL; (Green Beast – survived)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; DE; (Blue Guard – survived)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; DE; (Blue Watch – survived)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; PFT; (Green Watch)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; NAR; (Green Hand – destroyed)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; OLR; (Cocherlheim)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; ZFF; (Dance into the Fire)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; DDG; (NAME?)

WYN; T8S4; Y186; ZDF; (NAME?)

WYN; SL134; Y167; ZFF; (Dance into the Fire – survived)

WYN; CL30.64; Y201; OCR; (1 ship participated in Operation Unity)

WYN; CL30.64; Y201; OLR; (2 ships participated in Operation Unity)

WYN; CL30.64; Y201; CA; (1 ship participated in Operation Unity)

WYN; CL30.64; Y201; CW; (2 ships participated in Operation Unity)

WYN; CL30.64; Y201; DD; (3 ships participated in Operation Unity)

WYN; CL30.64; Y201; FF; (3 ships participated in Operation Unity)


ORION MERCENARIES IN WYN SERVICE

WYN-Orion; SH16; Y181; CR; (Persuader)

WYN-Orion; SH16; Y181; CR; (Broadside)

WYN-Orion; SH16; Y181; LR; (Operandi)

WYN-Orion; SH16; Y181; LR; (Mist Demon)

WYN-Orion; SH189; Y187; VIK; (Special Delivery)

WYN-Orion; T8S4; Y186; BR; (Passion Flower)

WYN-Orion; T8S4; Y186; DW; (Price Is Right)


KZINTI FORCES SUPPORTING THE USURPER’S RETURN

Kzinti-Usurper; SH119; Y187; SCS; (Hegemony – crippled)

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Sunday, January 01, 2012 - 08:38 pm: Edit

MAJOR DATES IN WYN HISTORY
(From R12.1 material and CL37 history of the WYN Navy)

Y116 - Usurper flees to the WYN Cluster

Y136 - Orion LR enters the Cluster and discovers it is inhabited

Y159 - WYN begin regular trade with Klingons, Lyrans, and Kzinti

Y160 - Orion Cluster Cartel builds shipyard in the WYN cluster - Orion hulls start entering the WYN fleet

Y181 (Fall) - WYN seize control of the Cluster Cartel shipyard

Y181 - major Lyran attack on the WYN Cluster

Y181 - major Klingon attack on the WYN Cluster

Y182 - major Kzinti attack on the WYN cluster

Y182 - "fish" ship production accelerates with full control of the shipyard

Y184 - Kzinti Patriarch dies; Usurper gains (secret) support of the Kzinti Count for his return to the throne

Y186 (Fall) - War of Return starts

Y186 (Fall) - "Palace coup" overthrows WYN government, removing Usurper as head of state: Council continues support for War of Return

Y187 (Spring) - Orions given back partial control of the Cluster shipyard: presumable lowering of WYN production rates

Y187 (Spring) - major ISC attack on the WYN Cluster; most WYN-Orion ships in the Usurper's fleet return home

Y187 (Fall) - major Andromedan attack on the WYN Cluster

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Monday, January 02, 2012 - 10:19 am: Edit

WYN SHIP INFORMATION FROM R-SECTION MATERIAL - INCLUDING CAPTAIN'S LOG
(only the CL37 history of the WYN Navy to go)

WYN; R12.3; Y139; LDD; (Protector – loser in a Lyran civil war that fled to the cluster on this date)

WYN; R12.8; Y179; AxPFS; (3 built on this date)

WYN; R12.9; Y172; AxBC; (at least 3 units built _after_ this year)

WYN; R12.10; Y173; AxCVA; (1 ship built this year – color text implies this was a unique ship)

WYN; R12.12; Y181; PBB; (Protector – converted from crippled LDD on this date)

WYN; R12.2; Y181; AxSCS; (Sabrina – built, per G3 YIS date, in this year – unique ship)

WYN; R12.15; Y154; KE4; (Justice Denied – E4J captured from Klingons after mutiny)

WYN; R12.15; Y166; KE4; (Justice Denied – destroyed in combat)

WYN; R12.15A; Y173; KE4; (_possible_ that additional E4s were acquired after this date)

WYN; R12.16; Y174; AxDN; (Nancy – acquired hull on this date, but, per G3 YIS, not commissioned until Y175)

WYN; R12.16; Y182; AxDN; (Nancy – crippled and taken in hand for conversion to AxBCS)

WYN; R12.17; Y183; AxBCS; (Nancy – converted from crippled AxDN)

WYN; R12.18; Y175; FF; (Production begins this year, replacing the 1 LR per year previously provided by the Orions)

WYN; R12.29; Y186; CAX; (ship was 2nd CA hull completed)

WYN; R12.30; Y182; ZDF; (captured from Kzinti this year)

WYN; R12.30; REF; AxCC; (2 maintained in service at any one time – and yes, R12.30 got used twice!)

WYN; R12.31; REF; CFF; (either 2 or 3 built / converted)

WYN; R12.34; Y185; CF; (could have entered service in this year, but was converted to CAX instead)

WYN; R12.35; Y187; DWV; (first unit completed S187 – listed as not ready in time for the War of Return, but fought against ISC and Andromedan attacks on the WYN Cluster)

WYN; R12.36; Y186; FCR; (served as escort for the CVL after one of the DEs was destroyed)

WYN; R12.39; Y182; ZDW; (Captured from the Kzinti this year)

WYN; R12.42; Y187; CVS; (Gabrielle – 3rd CA hull, completed after the War of Return)

WYN; R12.43; REF; WJL; (Sheba – converted Jindarian asteroid ship – may be only a deception story planted by WYN intelligence services)

WYN; R12.44A; REF; AxBV; (2 ships, Beth and Lynette, converted from existing AxBCs late in the General War)

WYN; R12.44B; REF; AxBS; (2 ships, Doris and Norma, converted from existing AxBCs late in the General War)

WYN; R12.44B; REF; AxBS; (Norma – converted from an existing AxBC late in the General War)

WYN; R12.46; REF; FFE; (1 or 2 built prior to War of Return – may have been converted back to standard FFs)

WYN; R12.47; Y150; KF4; (2 hulls purchased from Klingons in this year – both destroyed prior to the General War)

WYN; R12.48; REF; LYF; (3 hulls purchased from Lyrans – all scrapped prior to the start of the General War)

WYN; R12.53; Y186; CWH; (Green Demon – completed this year – unique ship – did not participate in the War of Return)

WYN; R12.54; REF; DDP; (Blue Destiny – prototype hull of the DD class – no DDP participated in the War of Return)

WYN; R12.200; Y190; LDWX; (one ship gifted by Lyrans in this year)

WYN; R12.200; Y190; KFX; (one ship gifted by Klingons in this year)

WYN; R12.200; Y190; ZFKX; (one ship gifted by Kzinti in this year)

WYN; R12.201; REF; ACX; (7 ships scheduled for conversion from AxC, but not known if all were actually converted)

WYN; R12.202; REF; FZX; (2 ships known – Flamekist Hell and Firebreather)

WYN; R12.203; REF; OCRX; (2 ships known – Attrition and Sacrifice)

WYN; R12.205; REF; ABX; (total of six built over the 10 years following the War of Return – first built after the ISC attack on the Cluster)

WYN; R12.206; REF; CWX; (total of 3 built – all after the War of Return)

WYN; R12.206; REF; SPECIAL; (text for CWX states the the WYN squadron for Operation Unity – CA, 2xCW, 3xDD, 3xFF – was special built for the purpose and not taken from the current fleet)

WYN; R12.207; Y182; FFX; (Addison – built this year)

WYN; R12.207; Y185; FFX; (Addison – lost under unknown circumstances)

WYN; R12.207; REF; FFX; (3 additional ships built Y187-Y190)

WYN; R12.208; Y189; HDWX; (Vala Malduran – built this year, unique ship, in service past Y192)

WYN; R12.209; Y189: OBX; (Shimmerghost – gift from the Orions this year)

WYN; R12.209; Y196; OBX; (one additional ship purchased this year)

WYN; R12.210; Y190; CWPX; (Response – built this year)

WYN; YR12.3; Y128; YAxBC; (3 ships built, one per year, starting in this year)

WYN; YR12.3; Y145; YAxBC; (all ships decommissioned – scrapped in Y147)

WYN; YR12.4; Y120; YAxC; (6 ships built starting this year, all in service by Y130)

WYN; YR12.4; Y143; YAxC; (all ships decommissioned by this date – scrapped in Y147)

WYN; CL36.R12.A1; Y185; CWL; (2 ships of this class either built or converted from existing CWs from this date forward)

WYN; CL37.R12.A2; Y160; OFC; (Attonement – built this year)

WYN; CL37.R12.A3; Y181; OFB; (Aurora – converted from OBR)

WYN; CL37.R12.A4; REF; FPL; (Agatha – rumored to exist, but not confirmed)

WYN; CL37.R12.A5; Y187; IDX; (Beatrix and Wilhelmina – 2 captured ISC DDs, converted to X-tech)

WYN; CL37.R12.A6; Y187; SFF; (Evangeline, Lily, and Kate - 3 Seltorian FFs captured by the Klongons and sold to the WYN)

WYN; CL37.R12.A7; Y187; SDD; (Patricia and Doris – 2 Seltorian DDs captured by the Klingons and sold to the WYN)

WYN; CL37.R12.A8; Y175; GFF; (Kristin – Gorn police ship captured by Orions and sold to the WYN – remained in service at least through Y187)

WYN; CL37.R12.A9; Y176; RFF; (Dawn-Michelle – Romulan SHE captured by Orions and sold to the WYN – remained in service at least through Y187)

WYN; CL40.R12.A10; Y183; LTT; (Unique ship built this year)

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, January 02, 2012 - 10:54 am: Edit

Jason:

Outstanding work -- well done!

Thank You.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Monday, January 02, 2012 - 08:37 pm: Edit

FROM THE CL37 HISTORY OF THE WYN NAVY

WYN; CL37; Y146; YLF; (3 ships received from the Lyrans as a gift/bribe – all destroyed in action prior to Y175)

WYN; CL37; Y186; PBC; (Defender – converted from a Lyran DW given as a gift/bribe)

WYN; CL37; Y199; PBC; (Defender – retired from service, scrapped in Y205)

WYN; CL37; Y139; LDD; (Protector – arrived, as losers of a coup fleeing Predator County)

WYN; CL37; Y180; LDD; (Prtotector – crippled in combat with the Klingons and taken in hand for conversion to the PBB)

WYN; CL37; Y181; PBB; (Protector – completed conversion from PBB)

WYN; CL37; Y187; PBB; (Protector – crippled in combat with the ISC)

WYN; CL37; Y196; PBB; (Protector – retired for conversion to a war museum)

WYN; CL37; Y150; KF4; (Rakish and Pedantic – bought from Klingons)

WYN; CL37; Y159; KF4; (Rakish – destroyed in combat)

WYN; CL37; Y161; KF4; (Pedantic – destroyed in combat)

WYN; CL37; Y150; KG2; (Denial – received as gift from the Klingons)

WYN; CL37; Y136; KG2; (1 ship captured by Orions and sold to the WYN)

WYN; CL37; Y???; KG2; (1 ship obtained as a result of mutiny)

WYN; CL37; Y160; ZYF; (Flamer and Slasher - both ships of this class lost in combat prior to this date)

WYN; CL37; Y145; ZYF; (Flamer and Slasher - both ships serving as division flagships)

WYN; CL37; Y144; ZFF; (police ship captured from the Kzinti)

WYN; CL37; Y146; ZFF; (frigate captured during a Kzinti attack)

WYN; CL37; Y158; ZFF; (frigate sold to the WYN after fleeing to the Cluster to escape destruction in combat)

WYN; CL37; Y169; ZFF; (frigate sold to the WYN after fleeing to the cluster to escape destruction in combat)

WYN; CL37; Y177; ZFF; (frigate sold to WYN after being cut off behind Coalition lines)

WYN; CL37; Y182; ZDF; (Startosser - Kzinti DF captured during an attack on the Cluster)

WYN; CL37: Y188; ZDF; (Startosser - Returned to service in the Kzinti navy)

WYN; CL37; Y183; ZFX; (Firebreather and Flamekist Hell – first ship commissioned on this date)

WYN; CL37; Y186; ZFX; (Firebreather and Flamekist Hell – both ships in service by this date)

WYN; CL37; Y182; ZDW; (Flaming Comet – Kzinti DW captured during an attack on the WYN Cluster)

WYN; CL37; Y205; ZDW; (Flaming Comet – scrapped)

WYN; CL37: Y165; MON; (Final Defense – gift/bribe from the Klingons)

WYN; CL37; Y165; MON; (Goal Line Stand – gift/bribe from Lyrans)

WYN; CL37; Y165; MON; (Final Protective Fire – gift/bribe from Kzinti)

WYN; CL37; Y181; MON; (Final Defense, Goal Line Stand, and Final Protective Fire – all participated in seizure of the Cluster Cartel Shipyard)

WYN; CL37; Y160; OFC; (Atonement – shipyard payment from the Cluster Cartel)

WYN; CL37; Y160; LR; (Cocherlheim – shipyard payment from the Cluster Cartel)

WYN; CL37; Y160; LR; (Zimdars – shipyard payment from the Cluster Cartel)

WYN; CL37; Y160; LR; (Zbaraschuk – shipyard payment from the Cluster Cartel)

WYN; CL37; Y170-Y180; CR; (Vengeance – entered service sometime in this time frame)

WYN; CL37; Y170-Y180; CR; (Attrition – entered service sometime in this time frame – later converted to OCRX)

WYN; CL37; Y170-Y180: CR; (Sacrifice – entered service sometime in this time frame – later converted to OCRX)

WYN; CL37; Y181-Y185; BR; (additional ship purchased sometime in this time frame after conversion of Aurora to an OFB)

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Monday, January 02, 2012 - 08:59 pm: Edit

Combining everything, three contradictions are immediately apparent. all but one of which can probably be fixed fairly easily:

1. T8S1 reports the Atonement as being crippled in action as part of the War of Return, but CL37 states that the Atonement remained in the WYN Cluster during the war.
PROPOSED SOLUTION
The ship crippled in T8S1 is actually the OCR Sacrifice, which is not currently present in any SFB scenario. Sacrifice is converted to the OCRX of the same name while under repair.

2. T8S2 reports the Aurora as destroyed in the War of Return, but CL37 states that Aurora remained in the Cluster during the war.
PROPOSED SOLUTION
The ship destroyed in T8S2 is actually the new (unnamed) OBR purchased after Aurora was converted into an OFB.

3. SH16 reports the LDD present in Y181 in combat against a Lyran attack, and R12.12 says that the LDD was crippled in this battle and converted to the PBB while under repair. CL37 says that the LDD was crippled in combat with the Klingons in Y180, converted to a PBB while under repair, and then led a counterattack against a the Klingon invasion of Y181. Since this potentially affects a published SFB scenario, I have put this under "Questions about Ships" for a ruling by one of the Steves.
PROPOSED SOLUTION IF THE STEVES DON'T PROVIDE A RULING
The LDD is crippled in Y180 in combat with the Klingons and repaired in its original form. In S181, it fights the Lyrans, is crippled, and is then converted to a PBB in time to lead a counterattack against the Klingons in F181.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Monday, January 02, 2012 - 09:21 pm: Edit

And just for giggles, here is a proposed build schedule for CW and CA hulls leading up to the War of Return. This assumes a build rate of one Cruiser per turn, with not more that 1 CA per year from the seizure of the Cluster shipyard until the start of the War of Return (including builds for the first turn of the war).

S182 - CW (only hull type available in Y182)
F182 - CW (only hull type available in Y182)
S183 - CW (third named basic CW)
F183 - LTT (build year given in R12.A10)
S184 - CVL (build year listed in R12.1J)
F184 - CA (1st hull known to be a vanilla CA, 2nd hull planned for Y185, but delayed until Y186, so this is the only place to put it)
S185 - PFT (in-service year listed in R12.1J)
F185 - NAR (G3 YIS)
S186 - CWH (build year given in R12.53)
F186 - CAX (build year given in R12.29)

This successfully covers all the "fish" SC3 ships that _must_ be in service by Y186.

Per R12.A1, 1 of the CWs is converted to a CWL in Y185, but I assume we will follow the pattern of other empires and just cover this under the "leader" rule.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 08:49 pm: Edit

And for another laugh, a notional concept of the WYN OOB at the start of the Four Powers War (Y157)

LYRAN HULLS
1xLDD (ship in service both before and after this data)
(1-3)xLYF (3 received Y146, at least 1 still in service at the start of the GW)

KLINGON HULLS
1xKE4 (ship in service both before and after this date)
2xKG2 (1 received Y136, 1 received Y150, CL37 suggests 3 in service by the start of the GW, so I'm guessing neither of these was lost by this point)
2xKF4 (2 received in Y150, 1st destroyed in Y159)

KZINTI HULLS
2xZFF (1 received in Y144, and 1 in Y146, with no indication that either had been destroyed by this point.
(1-2)xZYF (2 exist from Y116, last one destroyed ca. Y160)

SMALL AUXILIARIES
This is where it gets complicated. The first AxC entered service in Y140 (G3), but we don't know the build rate. Date for the YAxC and YAxBC _suggest_ that, prior to the Orion shipyard, the WYN had the ability to produce 1 combat auxiliary per year. That would give a maximum of 17 AxC hulls at the start of Y157. Per R12.30, 2 of these are AxCCs, and it is reasonable to expect that at least a couple have been lost and that a couple are on the infamous "internal security duty" that causes them to disappear from the F&E map. It is probably reasonable to assume that there should be 9-11 AxC in the OOB

Orion hulls, "Fish" ships, and Large Auxiliaries are all unavailable at this date.

AND THIS GIVES US A PROPOSAL OF:

Home Fleet: LDD, 2xKG2, LYF, ZYF, 2xAxCC

Kzinti Border: KE4, KF4, 3xAxC

Lyran Border: ZFF, KF4, 3xAxC

Klingon Border: ZFF, LYF, 3xAxC

Any comments on the reasoning / (il)logic / thought process above before I try to develop a proposal for the Y168 OOB at the start of the General War?

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 12:44 am: Edit

Jason:

Hold-off on developing the OOB as I'm processing the data for that right now. I need to show the "how" first...

By Alan De Salvio (Alandwork) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 01:20 pm: Edit

I would like to add I appreciate the effort to develop a reasonable OOB from Four Powers to Andro War (for the WYN and every other empire).

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 03:29 pm: Edit

Memo For Record

From Jason's research...(moved to this topic):

WYN Star Cluster Planets Per CL37 History of the WYN Navy:

4xMAJOR
Kamchatki, Plesetsk, Vanonia (Capital), and Zinfarst

4xMINOR
Belarus, Freeholm (Orion shipyard), Hyperialis, and Kostromskya

+++++++++++++++

X1R; R12.205; states that the WYN had only 1 X-base [STRONG: The WYN should receive this BTX as part of their deployment of X-tech via (523.413)]

CL37 (History of the WYN Navy) states that the WYN had a BATS at the major planet Vanonia

WYN; R1.47; the WYN never operated a STB.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 03:31 pm: Edit

Research Team:

We need to determine at some point if the above WYN planets:

A. Form systems (if so, how are they arranged) **or**

B. Are each their own system (making eight systems) **or**

C. Do they all form one massive system.

I cannot seem to find any F&E or SFB reference material -- does this information exist in the SFU RPG realm ?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 03:42 pm: Edit

Eight separate planets. Separate stars.

If Earth and Vulcan are in the same hex but a different system, all eight of those are as well. Does not mean they all show up on the game level, however.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 04:06 pm: Edit

Thanks Steve:

Based upon the above that gives the WYN Cluster a Maximum income limit of:

5 EP x 4-Majors = 20 EP
3 EP x 4-Minors = 12 EP
2 EP for the province = 2 EP
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34 EP

Then add XTPs (when available):
32 EP Planetary Income x 40% = 12.8 XTP
5 XTP for Capital
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23.8 XTPs

Please note that I am NOT saying or advocating this is their final income -- I just noting the upper limit based upon the current F&E rule constructs.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 04:27 pm: Edit

Memo For Record

The time period for the F&E War of Return scenario is planned for at least three turns of Y186F-Y187F. This is based on published history and game play interactions with other published scenarios. This does not mean a player run scenario could not go a few turns longer.

By Mike Curtis (Nashvillen) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 05:02 pm: Edit

You could always fudge the provincial income if you need to, up more due to the richness of the cluster. A little handvavium goes a long way.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 05:13 pm: Edit

Yes, you certainly could. I vaguely remember a previous attempt to figure out the WYNs that was postulating some income level that I don't remember. It can be whatever we need it to be.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 06:36 pm: Edit

Chuck Strong: Did you get the Excel file I emailed you with the matrixed historical reference data for the WYN fleet?

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 07:10 pm: Edit

WYN; R12.11; REF; AxMS; (3 in service - presumably not present in F&E, but it helps to track down the built AxC hulls)

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 09:00 am: Edit

The upper limit of XTPs based on this:

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Quote:

Then add XTPs (when available):
32 EP Planetary Income x 40% = 12.8 XTP
1 XTP for Capital
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19.8 XTPs

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Then add XTPs (when available):
32 EP Planetary Income x 40% = 12.8 XTP
5 XTP for an Undevastated Capital
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23.8 XTPs

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By Charles Shevlin (Chass22) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 07:30 pm: Edit

Chuck Strong you may want to check out Steve Cole's 3 posts on feb. 25th 2004.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Given that the 4 major planets + 4 minor planets info comes from CL37 (June 2008), I would suspect that the February 2004 posts about the number of planets in the WYN Cluster are obsolete.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 09:25 pm: Edit

I wonder if all the WYN planets are within shuttle/fighter range of each other?

F&E fighters have a 1 F&E Hex reaction range IIRC, which means you have 12 fighter factors on each minor planet, and 24 fighter factors on each Major World. add in any bases that operate fighters, and you have 148+ fighter factors that could be used in approach battles etc.

Eventually, PFs get added into the mix.

I wonder that if the WYN System was going to be overrun at some point in SFH, it would have happened early (in the middle years up to year 168~), if it was going to happen at all.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 02:19 am: Edit

Unless overruled by ADB, any new published ADB material trumps old BBS postings related to the same subject.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 05:22 pm: Edit

Can someone post the R-Section text (and YIS) for the WYN CWH (R12.53) and DDP (R12.54) -- I currently don't have access to these descriptions (module R12?).

Thx