(704.0) There appears to be an error in the number of SPs listed in the fleet PWC in (704.0) versus the number listed in (704.1). Maybe I interpret the rules incorrectly but I do not believe so. To make it easier to see the error I have put the Romulan PWC units from F&E2010 into table format, rearranging the order they appear in the rules setup so it is easier to see the quantity of each hull type.

(704.0) PWC per Fleet	KC9	CON	SP	FH	SP	SK	K4	KE-->WE	SP-->SPC
Home Fleet	KC9R	CON	SUP	FH	6xSP, SPB	3xSK, SKF, SKB, 2xSKE, SKE	3xK4	(2xWE/KE)	3xSPC
Fleet of the North		CON	SUP	FH	6xSP, SPB	3xSK, SKF, SKB, 2xSKE, SKE	3xK4	(2xWE/KE)
Fleet of the West		CON	SUP	FH	5xSP, SPB	3xSK, SKF, SKB, 2xSKE, SKE	3xK4	(2xWE/KE)
Patrol Detachment					2xSP		3xK4
Totals:	1	3	3	3	22	24	12	6	3
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(704.1) Pre-War Construction	KC9	CON	SP	FH	SP	SK	K4	KE-->WE	SP-->SPC
Turn #1 Fall Y168					2xSP	SK		WE/KE
Turn #2 Spring Y169					2xSP	2xSK	6xK4*	WE/KE
Turn #3 Fall Y169					3xSP	3xSK	6xK4*	WE/KE
Turn #4 Spring Y170			SUP		3xSP	3xSK		WE/KE
Turn #5 Fall Y170		CON			3xSP	3xSK
Turn #6 Spring Y171			SUP		3xSP	3xSK		WE/KE
Turn #7 Fall Y171		CON		FH	3xSP	3xSK
Turn #8 Spring Y172	KC9		SUP	FH	4xSP	3xSK		WE/KE
Turn #9 Fall Y172		CON		FH	4xSP	3xSK			[3SP->SPC]
Totals:	1	3	3	3	27	24	12	6	3

As can be seen for SP hulls, (704.0) lists 22 while (704.1) lists 27. Note: I do not include the three SP-->SPC conversions in the quantity of SP hulls in this discussion.

F&E Y2K had the same data as F&E2010 except that (704.1) on Turn #8 and Turn #9 listed 3xSP each rather than the 4xSP listed in F&E2010. The number of SPs were increased in F&E2010 per the errata in Captain’s Log #27 on page 102. This errata appears to have been an error. Without this errata, for the quantity of PWC SP hulls, (704.0) lists 22 while (704.1) lists 25; still a discrepancy but less so.

Advanced Operations had the same data as F&E Y2K except that it added a SPF to both the Home Fleet and the Fleet of the North in the Base F&E unit list in (704.0) but did not add any additional units to (704.1). [It also indicated that Advanced Operations replaced a CON with a SHR in the PWC but that is not pertinent to this discussion.] In Advanced Operations for the quantity of PWC SP hulls, (704.0) lists 24 while (704.1) lists 25; still a discrepancy.

So it appears that both F&E2010 and Advanced Operations have problems with the number of SP hulls in the Romulan PWC.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 12:39 pm: Edit

Ryan:
Please look into this Sparrowhawk issue and how we have corrected this already or a suggestion of how we might fix it. Whatever we do it must be part of the FO update.

Thanks,
Chuck

By Randy Blair (Randyblair) on Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 03:10 pm: Edit

Perhaps they are losses from (624.0) Gathering Winds?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Saturday, July 25, 2015 - 06:36 pm: Edit

Ok,

This might get a little confusing. But we have looked at these numbers before.

F&E 2K10:
The additional SP built on T8-9 should be deleted. That leaves 25 SPs built include the ships used for the 3xSP>SPC conversions.

Advanced Operations:
The 2xSP added on T8-9 account for the 2xSPFs built in PWC.

TOTAL F&E (ALL MODULES):
The 2xSP in T8-9 are deleted due to the 3xSP>SPC conversion becoming 1xSPS and 2xPE. Thereby no longer needing the 2xSP added during AO. This still leaves 25xSP hulls built.

By Jeffrey Coutu (Jtc) on Sunday, July 26, 2015 - 05:38 am: Edit

I see I made an error since I assumed that the 3xSPC listed the Home fleet represented just the conversions of the 3xSP-->3xSPC listed in (704.1) but they actually represent both the building of 3xSP and their conversion to 3xSPC.

I do not want to continue the discussion here since it does not apply to F&E2010 and I assume it will be straightened out in the next product but I believe that the only way for the numbers to remain consistent is that for the two SPF added to the PWC in Advanced Operations are actually added in Strategic Operation. The applicable text in Strategic Operation is “Replace three pre-war SPC with one SPS and two PE survey ships.” but more properly probably should be something like “Replace three pre-war SPC with one SPS survey ship and two SPFs. Add two PE survey ships on Turn #?.” Of course, moving the two SPFs to Strategic Operation will probably cause balance issue so it creates difficulties in how to resolve it (but perhaps you have already done so).

By Jeffrey Coutu (Jtc) on Sunday, July 26, 2015 - 05:39 am: Edit

(704.1) The number of SP hulls on Turn #8 and Turn #9 should be 3xSP (not 4xSP). They were increased to 4xSP by errata in Captain’s Log #27 on page 102 but that errata was in error since the total number of Romulan PWC SP hulls should be 25. Jeffrey Coutu 26 Jul 2015

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, May 22, 2016 - 09:29 am: Edit

(105.0) 5-6E PFs (502.45) should be PFs (502.44). (502.44) deals with inter-combat round transfers of PFs. Thomas Mathews 22 May 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 07:11 am: Edit

(302.331) Last sentence should read: There are three exceptions: Carrier Battle Groups (502.92), Battle Groups ‡ (315.30), and ISC Gunline Groups ‡ (324.42). The addition of ISC War into the F&E game system includes gunline groups. Thomas Mathews 25 May 2016

(302.333) PFs operating independently of their PFT (502.41) count against the Battle Force as ship equivelents (502.46) should read: PFs operating independently of their PFT (502.411) count against the Battle Force as ship equivelents (502.46). (502.411) is the rule number for PFs operating independently of their PFT or base. Thomas Mathews 25 May 2016

(302.337) Gunline Groups ‡ will be in ISC War should be Gunline Groups ‡ (324.42). The publication of ISC War provides the correct reference. Thomas Mathews 25 May 2016

(302.337) Tactical Auxiliary Groups ‡ (325.3). TAGs in Minor Empires allow empires a way to augment their battle forces under (325.0) with combatant auxiliary units. Thomas Mathews 25 May 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, June 04, 2016 - 08:58 am: Edit

(410.55) Maulers (308.4) and scouts can use their special abilities should read: Maulers (308.4) and scouts (308.5) can use their special abilities. Scouts are defined under (308.5). Thomas Mathews 4 Jun 2016

(412.1) and ISC pacification stations ‡ should read and ISC pacification stations ‡ (544.43). The publication of ISC War provides a specific reference under (544.43) for supply to the pacification stations. Thomas Mathews 4 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, June 10, 2016 - 07:39 pm: Edit

(501.4) add or (319.0)‡ at the end of the rule. (319.0) provides for offensive fighter strikes in the much the same way that (205.76) handles independent fighter squadrons that created a battle hex via reaction movement. Thomas Mathews 10 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, June 11, 2016 - 10:13 am: Edit

(509.1-C) add reference (544.2) at the end of of the last sentence. This provides the reference to ISC Pacification Station Emplacement rules. Thomas Mathews 11 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, June 12, 2016 - 07:57 am: Edit

(509.1-R) reference to (530.225) should be (530.23). In FO2016 there is no rule (530.225), but rule (530.23) refers to heavy fighter replacement pods. The original 2010 rule references are from the CL-36 update of (530.0) which had clarified and unified the (530.0) rules from Advanced Operations and the previous version of Fighter Operations. Thomas Mathews 12 Jun 2016

(509.37) reference to (530.225) should be (530.23). In FO2016 there is no rule (530.225), but rule (530.23) refers to heavy fighter replacement pods. The original 2010 rule references are from the CL-36 update of (530.0) which had clarified and unified the (530.0) rules from Advanced Operations and the previous version of Fighter Operations. Thomas Mathews 12 Jun 2016

(509.37) in Captain's Log #36 should be in Fighter Operations 2016. Fighter Operations 2016 has the latest version of Heavy Fighters (530.0) rules. Thomas Mathews 12 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, June 16, 2016 - 07:32 pm: Edit

(730.0) (714.0) Lyran Democratic Replublic: See Civil Wars should read: See Minor Empires. The LDR was moved from Civil Wars to Minor Empires. Thomas Mathews 16 Jun 2016

(730.0) (715.0) Seltorian Tribunal: See Civil Wars should read: See Minor Empires. The Seltorian Tribunal was moved from Civil Wars to Minor Empires. Thomas Mathews 16 Jun 2016

(730.0) (717.0) Vudar Enclave: See Civil Wars should read: See Minor Empires. The Vudar Enclave was moved from Civil Wars to Minor Empires. Thomas Mathews 16 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 07:53 pm: Edit

(308.351). Orion (410.34) cannot be used: should read: Orion smuggling (410.341) cannot be used. Add the word smuggling and change to reference to (410.341) to make the sentence more accurate. Thomas Mathews 18 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, June 20, 2016 - 07:13 am: Edit

(105.0) 2B4 Reference to (501.5) should be (501.52). (501.52) is the specific reference to replacement fighters during the production phase. Thomas Mathews 20 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, June 24, 2016 - 06:32 am: Edit

(204.37) Casual PF Flotillas missing ‡ symbol. Casual PF Flotillas are in Advanced Operations. Thomas Mathews 24 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, June 25, 2016 - 09:08 am: Edit

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(302.331) Last sentence should read: There are three exceptions: Carrier Battle Groups (502.92), Battle Groups ‡ (315.30), and ISC Gunline Groups ‡ (324.42). The addition of ISC War into the F&E game system includes gunline groups. Thomas Mathews 25 May 2016

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By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, June 25, 2016 - 12:33 pm: Edit

(302.352) FCAs‡ (532.22) should read FCAs‡ (532.221). Fighter Operations 2016 subdivided (532.22) and the FCAs referred to under (302.352) are included in the sub rule (532.221). Thomas Mathews 25 Jun 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 08:35 am: Edit

(502.311) Add: Or by Offensve Fighter-PF Strikes (319.0)‡. Offensive Fighter-PF Strikes allow PFs to move on the map one hex to strike an adjacent enemy. Thomas Mathews 3 Jul 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 09:50 am: Edit

(502.612) Reference to (431.2) should be (432.23). (432.23) refers to PFs and PFTs specifically. Thomas Mathews 3 Jul 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 11:28 am: Edit

(603.UA22) Reference to 603.U43 should read (603.U43). Add missing parenthesis (). Thomas Mathews 7 Sep 2016.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 11:28 am: Edit

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By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 12:46 pm: Edit

(603.UA32) Reference to 603.U43 should read (603.U43). Add missing parenthesis (). Thomas Mathews 7 Sep 2016.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, September 17, 2016 - 11:47 am: Edit

(603.UC22) Klingon GHQ Forces (See 603.U43) should read: Klingon GHQ Forces See (603.U43). Open parenthesis is in the wrong spot. Thomas Mathews 17 Sep 2016

(603.UC32) Federation GHQ Forces (See 603.U43) should read: Federation GHQ Forces See (603.U43). Open parenthesis is in the wrong spot. Thomas Mathews 17 Sep 2016

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, September 17, 2016 - 02:48 pm: Edit

(603.UD13) Klingon GHQ Forces (See 603.U43) should read: Klingon GHQ Forces See (603.U43). Open parenthesis is in the wrong spot. Thomas Mathews 17 Sep 2016

(603.UD23) Federation GHQ Forces (See 603.U43) should read: Federation GHQ Forces See (603.U43). Open parenthesis is in the wrong spot. Thomas Mathews 17 Sep 2016