Right, the TACNOTE info is new and interesting. It would make sense to remove the Klingons from 603.54.

I suppose all I was trying to say is being at war is a vague thing in the current state of affairs. There is no official declaration of war and the status of being at war seems to only relate to having your ships in enemy territory or enemy ships in your territory and which territories or enemies are really the only evidence to which empires you have a combat condition status of war with. It would be an improvement if there were some kind of official political status tracking and a declarations step in the sequence of play, where wars can be started and ended from a political perspective.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Tuesday, December 06, 2016 - 12:09 pm: Edit

Actually its a TACTLESS Note. It was rejected by the staff. I think it's in CL44 Supplemental also the F&E Compendium V3

By Byron Sinor (Bsinor) on Tuesday, December 06, 2016 - 12:37 pm: Edit

Ooh, and its even in the Warehouse 23 preview of the F&E Compendium V3. I may just have to buy these, looks like there will be some fun stuff in there.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Tuesday, December 06, 2016 - 02:55 pm: Edit

The Compendiums are nice. All the CapLog materials in one searchable location.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Wednesday, December 07, 2016 - 08:16 pm: Edit

There is a TAC Note in CL #22 on what the Romulans could do with a limited war economy for Turns #10-12...

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, December 10, 2016 - 03:40 am: Edit

Question for discussion.

The Klingons have 20 ship equivalents, including a command rating 10 flagship as well as at least one scout in hex 0505 (this is Red Fleet).

In Hex 0504 is Duke's Fleet, 20 Kzinti ship equivalents, with a flagship with a command rating of 10.

In Hex 0501 is Count's Fleet, with 20 Kzinti ship equivalents, with a flag ship with a command rating of 10.

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Count's Fleet goes 2 south to 0503 and is still moving. At this point, Red Fleet in 0504 uses extended reaction and all 20 ship equivalents of Klingons there go to 0502, pinning the 20 SEQs of Kzinti there.

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Count's Fleet then goes 1S to 0504 and stops.

Is Duke's Fleet now unpinned and able to move?

Or previously, when the Klingons pinned them, did they lose all ability to ever move during this operational movement phase?

Or something else?

A little unsure here.

For the sake of discussion, assume that no other units not mentioned above can still move.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, December 10, 2016 - 05:56 am: Edit

The Duke's fleet is now unpinned. They have not moved prior to the Klingon reaction. If the Count's fleet stops in 0504 then the Duke's Fleet is unpinned. See (203.501) which requires the pinning calculation to be repeated every movement pulse in the given hex. And (203.51) which requires a stack complete it's movement before another stack may continue. Although the ships of both fleets could be mixed depending on the phasing player's preference and needs subject to the command rating comparison in (203.55).

Also note that (203.63) requires that the phasing player reevaluate available remaining movement for the fleets in question. This could be very important for supply, retreat, retrograde and battle force composition for combat.

I'm pretty sure I've missed a couple of other important things.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, December 10, 2016 - 07:39 am: Edit

That seems reasonable.

By Alan De Salvio (Alandwork) on Monday, December 12, 2016 - 12:46 pm: Edit

20 SEs are pinned in 0504, but it is up to the Kzinti as to which. If the Count is done moving, it makes sense for them to meet the pinned obligation (which frees the Duke to move any or all of his fleet). Pinning is evaluated instantaneously in each movement impulse, there is no memory.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 11:42 pm: Edit

Question for discussion:

The Lyrans have captured a Hydran NSC and wish to convert it to their use.

What are the factors of a L-NSC?

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - 07:23 pm: Edit

Offhand, use the same factors without the fighters...

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 10:52 am: Edit

In partial answer to Richard's question, I believe that Chuck ruled a year or three ago that Federation attack on the Klingons does not prevent Gorn entry. Or something along those lines. I raised this issue as a possible abuse by the Coalition to put the Feds on the horns of a dilemma - wait until the Klingons are ready or face Gorn exclusion. I recall this issues being addressed by FEDS, or perhaps G.O.D. Search the archives by the rule number, you should find the answer to this particular aspect of the question.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 10:11 pm: Edit

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By Fabio Poli (Fabio) on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 02:06 pm: Edit

rule 302.2123A say that the excluded base could be a mobile base being set up by a tug.
I suppose the tug too is being excluded.
And i suppose it will be a tug upgrading an excluded base also.

Right?

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By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 10:40 am: Edit

This may have been asked and answered already, so I'm asking here first. In the new Minor Empire rules, what happens if the Tholians are wiped out before Seltorian arrival? I've played in games where the Tholians are *utterly* wiped out - just a few homeless ships running around in Alliance space. Do the Seltorians still come and fight Tholian ships that are still around? Do they just move on looking for other Tholians?

If this hasn't been asked and answered I'll post a formal question.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 01:06 pm: Edit

Ted,

I don't think this has ever been asked.

Ryan

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 01:56 pm: Edit

I think if the Seltorians show up and there are no Tholians, that the Klingons will not give them a planet and that the Seltorians will leave, not having any interest in Alpha Octant politics.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 02:30 pm: Edit

They might stick around a few years just to see if any Tholians are hiding. Once convinced the Tholians are all dead, the Seltorians might as well leave. Intergalactic trade doesn't really seem plausible absent the Andromedan high speed bridge.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 03:30 pm: Edit

I was under the impression that no-one outside of the Seltorians has the means of actually destroying the Sphere, rather than merely subduing it - or, at least, that the time and effort required to do so would be prohibitive without the use of web breakers.

In which case, even if the Coalition (or a later invader, such as the "dark future" Andromedans) had succeeded in driving the Tholians out of every (domed) outpost and deep-range space installation in Holdfast space, the Seltorians might still insist on making an attempt to bring down Tholia itself - perhaps by converting the Burning Torch of Vengeance into a Battlewagon configuration.

Plus, there'd still be the question of any exile Tholians elsewhere (perhaps in Federation space); any Tholian diplomats representing a government-in-exile on worlds like Earth; or, perhaps, the risk of the Seltorians setting out to uncover any other Tholians in or around the Milky Way (such as the Tholians of Draco). It may depend on how "thorough" the Torch expedition wants to be - are they as fanatical as the Paravians were/are against the Gorns (which seems to spill over to the targeting of other reptilian species they come across, and the governments which provide shelter to them), or would they consider the destruction of the Sphere to be "good enough" and leave it at that?

For what it's worth, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a variety of responses one might find, depending on how "committed to the cause" a given Tribunal expedition's leadership might be. On the one end, perhaps there are Sages who would be content to turn their Hive or Nest Ships around, in the absence of over-riding directives from M81 (as portrayed in the Fire in the Deep short story in Captain's Log #41). But on the other hand, I would also not be surprised if there turned out to be another task force elsewhere in the universe which decided to "settle down" and set about establishing a pocket empire of its own in some target destination or other...

By Kosta Michalopoulos (Kosmic) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 03:47 pm: Edit

If the Tholians are conquered by the Coalition, Tholia is not destroyed, merely "occupied." Would the Seltorians not insist they be allowed to destroy it?

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 04:10 pm: Edit

I agree with Richard, and Steve Cole is of course G.O.D. However, I think the other comments also have merit.

Another argument to make is that if the Alliance is harboring Tholian ships that the Seltorians would want to set up to hunt them down and kill them all.

I think this man said it best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmVyUdHtxbU

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 04:41 pm: Edit

I went ahead and asked a formal question over in Q&A. For once I don't have a vested interest in the answer - but it will be nice to know how to handle the Seltorians ahead of time if the Tholian supply points are wiped out before or after Y182 - especially if Tholian ships still remain in the Alliance forces.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 07:11 pm: Edit

One detail worth noting is that the Coalition still gains 9 EPs per turn from a captured Tholia (not counting for economic exhaustion), before seeing whether or not the Klingons successfully re-activate Kalesta, Kelanon, and Kordahn. So even if it wasn't looking likely that the Federation (or some other would-be interloper, like the ISC) were in a position to liberate the Sphere, the Klingons might not be in a hurry to see the Seltorians come in and eliminate an otherwise useful source of income.

Plus, it is noted in other sources that the information on the Seltorian Revolt was enough to shock even the Klingons; so perhaps they might draw a line on exactly how far they'd wish to go when dealing with the "Tholian Question".

I suspect that there may have been an abrupt end to the Klingon/Seltorian pact had things reached the point of conquering (or destroying) the Sphere itself, akin to how the Empire decided to "mop up" those Seltorians who survived the Echelon of Judgement's destruction of the Torch historically.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 10:13 am: Edit

Any word on my question on Tholia and Seltorians? Here's the ref:

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 04:39 pm: Edit

Q546.0: Seltorian arrival after Tholia conquered and held. This is a three-part question.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 07:02 pm: Edit

Ted:

Addressed in the topic today.

FEDS

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 11:10 am: Edit

Chuck, am I missing something? I went back and checked the topic and all I saw was my question.