THIS SEEMS TO BE WRONG. I CHECKED EVERY CVA-TO-SCS CONVERSION AND THEY ALL COST 5, WHICH IS THE COST OF PFT CONVERSION.

Dreadnaught: SCS: From CVA: 5+¶ should be From CVA: 3+¶ The CVA is already a carrier and should not be charged again for the carrier portion of an SCS. Thomas Mathews 28 Apr 2017

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 03:03 pm: Edit

Obviously, I did all of the Lyran items, except for the ones sent to Ryan. When I get those fixed, I'll post another Lyran update.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 03:41 pm: Edit

Seems to work out, maybe, that I do an update and 24 hours later do another nit-killing update.

Lots of nits remain. I found more PFTs without +¶ glyphs, the HACs are a mess, and other things needed work.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 04:42 pm: Edit

NCC: conversion 'From DD:' is missing the double conversion symbol...SWFrazier 170429
NMC: conversion 'From DD:' is missing the double conversion symbol...SWFrazier 170429
NSC: conversion 'From SC:' is missing the double conversion symbol (see NSV/SC conversion)...SWFrazier 170429
NPF: conversion 'From PFT:' is missing the double conversion symbol (see NSV/SC conversion)...SWFrazier 170429

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 07:10 pm: Edit

DN Conversion from DN doesn't account for PFs: "From DN: 3+¶" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

DN Conversion from CA doesn't account for PFs: "From CA: 8‡+¶" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

DNH Conversion from CA is double conversion. Add dagger: "From CA: 7‡" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

CVA double conversion dagger is being applied to FTR. "From CA: 9‡+24" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 07:10 pm: Edit

BCV double conversion dagger is being applied to FTR. "From CL: 7‡+12" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

BCS stray semi-colon in conversion cost for BC source. "From BC: 6+6+¶" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

BCB double conversion dagger is being applied to FTR. "From CL: 11‡+12+¶" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

BCB FTR on CV cost 2/FTR, so conversion from BCS is 3 too low. From BCS: 1+6" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 07:21 pm: Edit

General- double conversions. Three styles in use. I am not reporting "HULL‡: cost" style ones. I am flagging HULL: cost+FTR‡" style ones and changing them to HULL: cost‡+FTR". Rationale: conversion is of hull, and while the first form is different, it seems clear that the hull is impacted while the ones I am flagging one has to ask why the FTR are getting flagged. Choice of which standard to fix things to is arbitrary. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-29

Note- I figured out how to reliably generate the ¶ and ‡ symbols via cut and paste, so new reports should have those inline (Sun UNIX style keyboard and a Linux OS so I lack an option key and my ALT/meta keys are not quite the same). This should make designer changes more effective.

Note on Aux- I'm focusing on fixing the badly borked stuff. I figure once the main sections are good, I'll do in depth checks for MIA/AuxPod type stuff.

Lyrans use catamarans and trimarans...

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 01:12 pm: Edit

FEDS note of auxiliary ship build costs: Recommend simply citing for each auxiliary build as follows:

(549.121): #
(where '#' is the cost of production)

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Quote:

(549.121) Each empire may produce one auxiliary (of any type) per turn (the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, and the ISC may produce two per turn), but only one per year may be a large, jumbo, or heavy auxiliary. One large or two small auxiliary troop ships can be built each turn in addition to that number. Some auxiliaries have an “in service” limit (762.0). Some smaller empires have lower limits in their order of battle.

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By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 01:59 pm: Edit

FEDS- So I understand, this would be correct for the Lyrans:

FHL: (549.121): 4 (drop 1/yr reference)
FTL: (549.121): 6 (drop 521.23 reference)
LAC: (549.121): 4
LAS: (549.121): 6 (drop 317.1 reference)

FEDS: That is my recommendation but it is subject to ADB's final approval. The aux ships rules (549.0) were designed to unify the various aux ship rules including production. The preamble paragraph of (549.0) covers it which says:

"Previously, each had its own rule and those rules often overlap and contradict each other, and none of them are really complete. This rule combines, replaces, and completes all of the other [aux ship rules]."

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:54 pm: Edit

BBL: The word "Sub" in the Build Cost column should probably be "For". F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

BBLP: The word "Sub" in the Build Cost column should probably be "For". F Brooks, 1 May 2017

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:55 pm: Edit

NCA: The word "(minor)" in the Conversion Cost column should be replaced with the downward pointing triangle. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

NCA Variants: Most of these units have the words "of NCA" in the Notes column. Since they are included in the NCA section of the SIT, they are pretty much by definition variants "of NCA", and this text can be removed.

NSV: Does this unit still hold the "Most Conversion Sources" record with the new base listings? If those are considered, I believe the SBX(FP) has the most (with 14). [GRIN] F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

STJ: The words "of CW" can be removed from the Notes column. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

HDW Variants: As none of the other rules references refer to a specific product, the words "in AO" can be removed from the Conversion Cost and Build Cost columns of all of these units. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:55 pm: Edit

HDW Variants: The words "of HDW" can be removed from the Notes column for all of these units. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

DWG: The SFB Ref # should be R11.105. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

DDG: The words "of DD" can be removed from the Notes column. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

HFF: The SFB Ref # should be R1.23. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

HAC: The word "Baseline" in the Notes column should be "Heavy". F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:55 pm: Edit

HAA: The SFB Ref # should be R1.A35 (add the R). F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

FTH: The word "Heavy" should be added to the beginning of the Notes column. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

HAP: The word "Heavy" should be added to the beginning of the Notes column. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

HSC: The word "Heavy" should be added to the beginning of the Notes column. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

JF: The SFB Ref # should be R1.A30. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:55 pm: Edit

JF: The word "Base" in the Notes column should be "Baseline". F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

LARGE AUXILIARIES: Should there be an entry for the baseline large freighter hull [ SFB (R1.6)]? F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

LAC: The word "Large" should be added to the beginning of the Notes column. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

LAS: The SFB Ref # column should be R1.77. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

ASC: The word "Large" should be added to the beginning of the Notes column. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:56 pm: Edit

SMALL AUXILIARIES: Should there be an entry for the baseline small freighter hull [ SFB (R1.5)]? F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

SAC: The word "Small" should be added to the beginning of the Notes column. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

BSX(N): The SFB Ref # should be R1.207. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

BSX(F): The SFB Ref # should be R1.207. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

BSX(FP): The SFB Ref # should be R1.207. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:56 pm: Edit

BSX(FP): Should the "BTX" in the Conversion Cost column be "BSX"? F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

STB(F): Is it possible to convert the STB(N) into this unit? F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

STB(FP): Is it possible to convert the STB(N) and STB(F) into this unit? F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

SB(FP): The text "4xPFM/HPM/HFM" should be "4xFTM". F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

SBX(FP): Should the BTS(N) in the Notes column be BTX(N) instead? F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:56 pm: Edit

SFX(FP): Is it possible to convert the SFX(N) and SFX(F) into this unit? F Brooks, 1 May 2017.

By Alan De Salvio (Alandwork) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 07:49 pm: Edit

MP: Why is it with the DWs? I thought the Lyran MP defined it's own class - there are certainly many published variants (or am I thinking of the LDR MP?). I am sure GOD has his reasons, but it seems like a police ship should be with the police ships or frigates. A De Salvio, 1 May 2017.

FEDS CONCURS. Recommend new Lyran class category as "MP Heavy Police Ship" and base hull be listed as MP(4)and notes to read 'Base Hull Type (MP), Heavy Police ship'. Also note that another separate report recommends that the Lyran MP compot should be 4-5/None which FEDS concurs also.

Reference Lyran MSSB (R11.46):
This is a heavily modified Manx police corvette (R11.31) and is considered its own base hull. This ship is technically a variant of the Lyran Democratic Republic military police corvette (R14.14), which entered service prior to it. The Lyran Democratic Republic Fleet Police Ship (R14.44) is a heavily modified police corvette hull and is also considered to be its own base hull.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Thursday, May 04, 2017 - 07:55 pm: Edit

BBP: Missing entry. (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

BBV: Needs conversion from BB, (and CVA?). (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

SDS: Needs conversion from BB, BBV (and CVA, SCS)? (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

BCB: Construction cost for fighters should be +12, not +6. (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

TGC: Add "Combat Tug" to notes? (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

TGP: Add "Transport Tug" to notes? (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Thursday, May 04, 2017 - 07:57 pm: Edit

NCV: Needs conversion from CW. (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

NSR: Needs conversion from NSC? (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

CLX: Missing entry, CL #37. (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

CVM: Needs 2-step conversion from DD.(Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

DWX: Needs conversion from FFX. (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

SCX: Needs conversion from FFX. (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

FFX: Needs battle group symbol. (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

HFF: Confirm conversion cost is 1.5? DD-> HDD is only 1. (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Thursday, May 04, 2017 - 08:03 pm: Edit

DNE: Should this have its own section and not be with the CAs? (Nick Samaras, May 4, 2017)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, May 05, 2017 - 01:35 pm: Edit

Fix EW spacing
Fix Scout capitalization
update HDW entries.
Check auto-date on header.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Saturday, May 06, 2017 - 02:11 am: Edit

Search for double dagger position is needed on this SIT- multiple fixes needed (some were posted as line items).

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, May 06, 2017 - 11:19 am: Edit

Standardize HDW variants as HDWz and HDWX variants as HWXz.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 09:03 pm: Edit

Global POL/PV/FLG (but not heavy POL) review cleanup

POL Call up cost for generic POL is 0. Fixing. Backporting Paravian style POL call up frequency: Build "Call up: 0 (1/Turn) (531.12)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07

PV Backporting Paravian style PV call up frequency: Build "Call up: 3 (1/Fall)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07

PV Backporting Paravian PV Note "Police Carrier; See (531.4)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07

FLG Backporting Paravian style FLG call up frequency: Build "Call up: 2 (1/Spng)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07

FLG Backporting Paravian style FLG Note "Police Flagship, Commando Ship, Scout, EW=1. See (531.3)." - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07