The capital can't have a monitor until all other uncaptured planets outside of the capital hex have one. See (519.112).

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 04:10 pm: Edit

Thomas, I don't think that's right. 519.112 only say that monitors can move out of the capital hex and no more than one assigned to a planet and none in the mobile defense group.

519.113 says a *second* monitor can't be assigned to a planet unless all uncaptured planets outside of the capital and offmap have a monitor or a base.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 04:17 pm: Edit

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Quote:

(519.112) Monitors built in the capital may move out to other
planets (but don't have to). If they remain in the hex, no more
than one can be assigned to any given planet; none can be in
the mobile defense group.
(519.113) A second monitor cannot be assigned to a planet
unless all uncaptured planets outside of the capital and offmap
area have a monitor or a base or Defense Brigade.
Monitors can only be assigned to planets owned by the race
which owns the monitor.

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By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 04:30 pm: Edit

Nevermind, I missed part of (519.112): "but don't have to."

That said, I can think of a lot better ways to spend 16 EPs as the Kzinti player.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 05:46 pm: Edit

A monitor does make them take one additional round with all the PDUs since you can't shoot at the PDUs with a monitor present.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 06:24 pm: Edit

Not to mention the only 16 compot unit the Kzinti will have for a long, long time.

IMHO it's worth it. But that's just me.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 06:28 pm: Edit

Ryan, do you have a reference for that? Can't find it for some reason. Thanks!

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 06:38 pm: Edit

521.323 is the rule regarding monitors "protecting" PDUs.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 06:51 pm: Edit

Refers to protection against G attacks.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 07:47 pm: Edit

DOH! Yep, that is for G attacks only. Also note rule 520.62; monitors apply a negative DRM to SAF attacks on a "protected" planet.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 10:29 pm: Edit

Ted: Kzinti CVs are 16 compot. The Kzinti start with 5 of those. Lol. Yes, escort reuirements, I know.

By Dana Madsen (Dfm330) on Friday, November 09, 2018 - 11:52 pm: Edit

Good game, we're generating Q&A and spreading the knowledge.

I fought 1 round at the capital, and now I'm running. No planets devastated, 8 pdu's killed outside the capital though, with large numbers of involuntary minus points left hanging.
Kuballus: 2xPDU
Keevarsh: 1xPDU
Zaforma: 2xPDU
Vronkett: 3xPDU

D6M dead at Vronkett, and D6J at Keevarsh. 6 other cripples so not that bad.

Again I outrolled Ted pretty bad. On 4 dice I rolled 15 (avg 3.75) and he rolled 8 (avg 2).

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 12:27 am: Edit

@Richard: Smart allec.

=)

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 02:53 am: Edit

I would say that's a pretty good result for the Kzinti - no planets devastated and no damage to the Capital.

Why no raid on the Capital planet to strip 2-4 PDU's off (using a Mauler)?

With both reserves at 1401 though, the Coalition should do well elsewhere.

By Dana Madsen (Dfm330) on Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 07:44 am: Edit

Well, maybe I should have. I did think about it, but I don't have a very good line this round to absorb damage and the Kzin has a line of 280. He'll get about 35 pts bigger (4 PDU's plus slightly better ships). At 35% that means he does 12 more damage. I'll put up a line that is 20 to 25 pts bigger, and has ships that can replace them and go again.

Yes, elsewhere I'm going to capture 3 kzin minors, two of them have Mon but are otherwise undefended so I'm getting them cheap. Overall impact his income by about 20 pts, and maybe drop the Duke's SB.

By Karl Mangold (Karlsolomon) on Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 08:40 am: Edit

I dunno. After the carnage at 0802, I think it was the right decision to take the easy pickin's. That north fleet is pretty anemic for a capital assault, but obviously the only option you have for ships if you want to attack Kzinti on T2. And conversely, the Zin can effectively defend with just ffs and auxes (and reserves, of course), so keeping a massive fleet for defense T2 seems unnecessary. Which means Ted was probably right to commit those forces to 0802 last turn. Can the Klingons credibly threat 1401 without significant Lyran support? In interested to see how this plays out.

By Karl Mangold (Karlsolomon) on Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 12:45 pm: Edit

Another thought; is the north fleet retrograde path dependent on the destruction of the duke's SB?

By Dana Madsen (Dfm330) on Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 01:10 pm: Edit

Nope, I have taken planet 1504. I sent enough there from the N Resv fleet to make sure I won that fight.

By Karl Mangold (Karlsolomon) on Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Ah. I missed that detail. Had me worried for a second.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 03:00 pm: Edit

I usually leave at lease a single small warship with a monitor and PDUs, the ability to choose (or at least possibly choose) BIR for the defender makes it harder for the attacker and with a MON there, if it's overwhelming you can just not include that small warship so it can escape.

Sometimes it'll be an FF and CVE for the Kzintis at such a place when I am Kzinti. Things you won't miss too much at a SB or capital defense (Klindai might get more defense).

By Dana Madsen (Dfm330) on Monday, November 12, 2018 - 01:55 pm: Edit

T2C combat is over. Summary

Coalition
- Dead - D6M, D6J, D5, 2xCW
- Cripple - D6V, 3xD5, CW, JGP, DWS, F5L, 5xF5, 2xDD, 2xDDG, F5S, SC, 3xFF, E4A

Kzinti
- Dead - FFK, 8xPDU @ home system, not capital, 5xBATS, 2xMON, 6xPDU (captured planets 1001, 1202, 1504)
- Cripple - BF, 5xSIDS @ Duke's SB

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Monday, November 12, 2018 - 03:52 pm: Edit

Wow - so no SB's died!

What happened over them?

The Kzinti I think will now get enough ships (new and repairs) to put reasonable lines over 902, 1304 and 1401 - so no cheap victories for the Coalition now?

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Monday, November 12, 2018 - 04:10 pm: Edit

Having SB is a double edged sword. They are great for projecting power, but they also make you sit 15 or 20 ships there to protect it.

Meaning the Capital is a lot easier to hit.

By Dana Madsen (Dfm330) on Monday, November 12, 2018 - 04:48 pm: Edit

I didn't even try to kill the Counts SB. I just pinned the ships there and really I have no worries about getting it in the next two turns. The Duke's is the one I personally worry about more and while I decided not to fight hard there I got 5 SIDS steps so I know I can go finish it off when needed.

Like Jason said, I kindof like both SB'S being up start of my 3. Gives him more places to have to defend. Also there is no doubt that I was missing ships after the big fight at 0803.

By Douglas Lampert (Dlampert) on Monday, November 12, 2018 - 04:51 pm: Edit

Ted has, I think, made it clear that even knowing in advance that he's facing a Kzinti first attack he's perfectly willing to risk having a lighter capital defense to be more aggressive elsewhere.

I don't think he'll object to having all his SB to defend.