Klingon Northern fleet is missing from the posted file when using the posted gamebox. I'm wondering if one of them might have been updated without updating the other one?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, March 09, 2019 - 06:41 pm: Edit

Already corrected in the current game box under construction.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, July 07, 2019 - 06:52 am: Edit

Another candidate for archive l

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, July 07, 2019 - 03:39 pm: Edit

Since Jean had warned of a 2014 and earlier deletion back in Jan 2014 I went and deleted them.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 09:44 am: Edit

Rob Padilla and I are going through the Cyberboard file for a new General War game, and we found a few errors in the GW setup. Whoever is maintaining the Cyberboard files for this BBS should probably double-check the following items and correct the linked scenario file.

[EDIT: I JUST NOTICED ABOVE THAT KLINGON NORTH FLEET MARKER ISSUE WAS CORRECTED - MEANING I'M OPERATING USING AN OLDER SCENARIO FILE - BUT PROBABLY SHOULD DOUBLE CHECK ANYWAY]

-The Kzinti Home fleet is missing 3*DD (shows 3*DD, should be 6*DD).

-The Kzinti Count's fleet is missing its ADM.

-The Klingon North fleet marker is no longer on the Klingon norther border. It is hidden on the "Klingon Capital Chart" playing Board, underneath the Mothball counter - it should be moved back to the main map playing board.

Rob and I are doing a careful review. We will report additional issues if we find them.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 11:16 am: Edit

Some more notes on adjusting the scenario file:

Klingon:
-Home Fleet is missing it's Admiral

-Home Fleet: A D6N should be added and a note associated with the counter that indicates the D6N replaces the D5N. Alternatively, just replace D5N with D6N.

-Tholian Border Squadran: A Reserve Marker should be added.

-Northern Reserve Fleet: A Reserve Marker should be added.

-Imperial War Squadron 1 (only) should have 6*D6 for addition to the mothballs, not 2*D6 as shown.

Hydran:
-The Expeditionary Fleet should have it's Tug set to the FCP Supply mission, and a note associated with the tug to include a reference to 509.5 and 513.5. Alternatively, just the FCP pod should be added to the fleet tray, with a note to 509.5 and and 513.5.

-The 3*SR are missing and should be added to the Hydran capital playboard.

More to come upon further review.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 02:16 pm: Edit

Edit to above Klingon notes. The 2*D6 mothballs in the 2nd and 3rd IWR squads (both) should be removed. In other words, the current map shows 2*D6 mothballs being added with each IWR. While it makes no practical difference, technically all 6*D6D mothballs are added with the first IWR squad.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 02:22 pm: Edit

Federation:
-Home Fleet: Missing CMC and missing 3xFF from PWC.

-3rd Fleet: should have a SWAC for PWC

Romulan:
-Home Fleet: Missing KRG, and the PWC FH should be a PWC FFH. 2*KR converted to 2*KRE.

-Fleet of the North: One too many SP. One KR converted to KRV. 2*K4R converted to 2*K4D.

-Fleet of the West: One too many SP, missing 2xSPF.

-Patrol Detatchment: Missing a SP.

-The 10*PT should be laid down on the map, as all the other empires have their PTs laid down on the play board in their respective PT holding areas.


Gorns:
-Needs their repair pods placed on map in the pod holding area with notes added to indicate when received (one immediately, 3 more free received in Spring Y175, 6, and 7)

-Home Fleet: Missing a CL, missing LAS, has 1 HD too many

-2nd Fleet: Missing SAS

-6th Fleet: Missing SAS

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 02:27 pm: Edit

The changes to the OOB from FO probably also need to be done.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 02:32 pm: Edit

Some of my changes are based on the OOB changes from FO2016. They are based on the 2017 OOB in FO2016.

So, yes, every one of these changes should be verified - but I think we got them.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 02:34 pm: Edit

Tholian: Have one too many SAS in 3rd fleet.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 05:06 pm: Edit

Scenario setups are done separately from the gamebox. Each gamebox requires a new scenario file be created for that individual scenario.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 05:13 pm: Edit

NOTE: Reserve Fleets have 2 different ways of being designated.

1 is with Reserve Fleet Markers. These markers should only be placed on top of a designated Reserve Fleet.

The newer gamebox under development, and may include the 2014 gamebox, uses 1st Reserve, 2nd Reserve, 3rd Reserve, and up to 4th Reserve counters. Note that some empires have text box notes that the 3rd and/or 4th Reserve are used in EB only.

Please note that I'm commenting from memory on the 2014 gamebox. I know the above is true for the gamebox currently under development.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 05:40 pm: Edit

Thomas, not sure what that means. Just trying to point out the current issues with the currently available scenario file for the GW scenario.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 05:45 pm: Edit

The Klingon Northern and Southern Reserve Fleets are not reserve fleets in game terms. 1 of the Klingon Fleets is in the wrong location. It has been noted as to it's correct location in one of the current archives.

All reserve fleets designated by (507.0) are the reserve fleets I was discussing above.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 05:45 pm: Edit

Two more issues, made in light of the knowledge that the gamebox is about full. These are "feature requests."

Hydran: At least two (maybe 4) CR should be replaced with newly created SA counters. The Hydrans now start with 2*SA, which have different factors than the CR.

Klingon: About 8 E3s should be replaced with newly created E3A counters. The Klingons currently do not have an E3A counter, and start with them.

Kzinti: At least two (maybe 4) FF counters should be replaced with newly created FH counters. The Kzinti have one of these units to start, and could build more.

Request for a new type of marker under the Miscellaneous menu: a "STILL MOVING" marker. Frequently a GMV is sent out and a fleet or ships are still moving (i.e., not stopped, but waiting for opponent reaction decision) - it would be nice to have a marker to mark such a fleet as "still moving."

Conversely, another new type of marker under the Miscellaneous menu would be nice: "STOPPED".

THANK YOU!

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 05:46 pm: Edit

@Thomas: Ah, OK on Klingon reserves.

Rest should still apply though.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 05:54 pm: Edit

There is a "Moving" marker under the Misc Markers in the new game box. Along with Moved, Reacted, and Reacting markers in the same place.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 05:57 pm: Edit

SWEET!

Any ETA on release of the new game box? Will it also have some new counters, like for the SA, E3A, and FH?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 08:52 pm: Edit

It will have the SA and E3A as they are in the working copy I currently have from Lar. FH? which empire is it and what is it? I know it isn't the Romulan FireHawk.

No known ETA. Depends on Lar's availablity and how much free time both of us have to work on it.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 09:29 pm: Edit

Kzinti FH (Heavy Frigate) from FO. 5-4S/2

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 09:30 pm: Edit

Ryan has my intent right. Apologies.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 09:30 pm: Edit

OK on ETA. I've got my own working version for now. Still thought I'd try to put in my 2C to make it better.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, July 08, 2019 - 09:34 pm: Edit

Yes, the Kzinti FH is included in the new gamebox.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Sunday, September 08, 2019 - 11:01 am: Edit

Coming up on Sept 28 it will be 5 years since I have posted even a minor update to ‘the box’.

I have been working consistently at a magma level pace committed to making at least a few changes each week. There were things that had bothered me for years about ‘my layout of things’ that I have fixed.

Over the years I have made smaller updates never finishing a box due to my own life turmoil. I had a long list from Turtle and others (thank you) but have completed a good chunk of it. Adding ADB products (thank you again) helped keep it long and there will be challenges fitting everything in but I think we can get there.

Not sure about a deadline but I am crunching away at it and wanted y’all to know this tunnel has light at the end.

Of course something with changes this big will need folks to once again recreate the scenario files.