A new general war game between Richard Eitzen (Alliance) and Ted Fay (Coalition). Full rules, all expansions, no optional rules. Special raid rules being negotiated.

"Oderint Dum Metuant" is a Latin phrase meaning "Let them hate, so long as they fear".

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, December 14, 2020 - 04:35 pm: Edit

Special house rules for this F&E game.

The original special raid rules are not being used in this game. However, some versions of special raids are being used. To wit:

1) Blockade runs are in.
2) Commando raids are in.
3) Drone raids and Fighter/PF raids, as originally written are out.
4) We are play testing the "new" special raid rules attached.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 - 05:11 pm: Edit

CT1 Eco and Raids

Economics:

Lyrans avoid ADS, but Klingons go right in to the tune of 7 EPs. Not big, but they are starting early.

To take advantage of the new Vudar rules, the Lyrans and Klingons each build an extra DIP team.

Details of eco are here:

Klingon: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2o3ea6citfu8t96/Coalition%20Klingon.xlsx?dl=0

Lyran: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxceqh9pz8d0a8g/Coalition%20Lyran.xlsx?dl=0


Raids
The sole "raids" are:
-- The Klingons use an F5T to blockade run 4 EPs to the WYN.
-- The Lyrans use an APT to blockade run their MMG to Red Claw fleet in 404.

Operational movement to follow.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 - 07:01 pm: Edit

Note that the Lyran JGP-COG still pays for five fighters (525.243) but does give 2 replacement (FCR) fighters as credit ... so that's 4 more EP spent [hopefully there's salvage/WYN ship sales to cover the difference or use the non-interest loan from (430.6)]

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 - 08:14 pm: Edit

Nope, you cannot use (430.6) during the economic phase. That's a large part of what ADS is about; the ability to borrow during the economic phase.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, December 16, 2020 - 08:17 pm: Edit

The new Special Raid rules are located in CL#53.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, December 17, 2020 - 12:00 am: Edit

I did pay for the 5 fighters (3 free, 4 EPs for the remaining 2).

Lyrans did not need ADS. Klingons did start ADS.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, December 17, 2020 - 02:59 pm: Edit

C1 Operational:

Aside from the usual miscellany (ComCon, 2*colony, WYN trade, claiming NZ hexes etc.) the Lyrans (Red Claw and Home fleets) all dogpile in a straight-up direct, all-out assault on Kzinti BATS 803.

The Kzintis do not react or send in reserves. The BATS goes down for a song (I take 3 fighters and ignore the 2 remaining damage as lowest DEFPOT ship on the line is 5).

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, December 18, 2020 - 06:42 pm: Edit

Well A1 starts, the Kzintis do well on survey.
They're not doing so well with the invasion situation, quite a few Lyran ships sitting within six hexes of 1401.

Ahem.

GET OFF MY LAWN.

Ok, now that that is out of the way.

The Hydrans activate a PGS and build some ships that no one knows where they are! Very sneaky. They do worry about the start of yet ANOTHER war between the Kzintis and Hydrans but are fairly confident that if they don't attack the Lyrans again (see 4PW) then the war won't escalate to something truly nasty.

Gorn, Fed and Tholian PWC happens, no choices to make there.

The Klingons are claiming the Vudar are being rebellious. The Hydrans are dubious.

Kzinti eco:
*Survey roll: 14.

*Treasury:

*Income:
*On map (outside capital hex): 44 - 1 (disrupted) = 43.
*Off map: 17.
*Capital: 32.
*Captured nz: 0.
*Captured provinces: 0.
*Captured planets: 0.
*Other income: 0.
*Total income: 92.

*National debt: 0.
*Borrowing limit: 18.4.
*Interest: 0.
*Interest payment: 0.
*Current treasury balance: 92.

*Production (6FFF):
8 TGC(sub BC)
5 FF FFT(sub CL) (1304 0902)
3 FFK(sub DD)
5 2FF
5 CP
28 4PDU(Kzintai)
0 Activate PT
Callup POL (1504).
Activate MMG
Activate ENG
6 Convoy (0902)
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60 Total


*Conversions:
3 (0902) BC->BCE DF->SDF FF->FFK?
5 (1401) BC->SR
3 (1304) CL->CLD
3 (OM) BC->BF
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14 Total

*Repairs: None.

*EPs Borrowed: 0.

*New Borrowing Limit remaining: 18.4.
*Current debt: 0.

*Treasury: 92 - 68 = 18. 6FFF.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, December 18, 2020 - 08:23 pm: Edit

Treasury is actually 15 EP, forgot to pay for a survey slot.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, December 20, 2020 - 09:39 am: Edit

Kzintis try to use a PT to cripple a scout tug but fail, the team being wounded in the process.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, December 20, 2020 - 04:47 pm: Edit

Op moves are done. The Lyran Fleet was sitting in 0803 and is 70ish SEQs. The Kzinti moved almost their entire active fleet to go pin it, which they did. BATS next door sent over its fighters as well.
The few remaining Kzinti ships went to pin the Lyran reserves at 0404 and attack BATS 0504 (defended by a POL).

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, December 20, 2020 - 07:03 pm: Edit

At 0504, the Kzinti fleet of DN FFK CV face a BATS and POL. After the dust settles, the POL retreats to 0404 (the base is destroyed) and the Kzintis retreat to 0603 having had the FFK and CV crippled.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, December 21, 2020 - 02:19 pm: Edit

At 0803 the Lyrans retreat after one round of combat. They destroy a Kzinti SAD, fighters and cripple a BC for -7. The Lyrans cripple 5 of their ships (3CW 2DW) for -6 but then retreat (to 0704). The Kzintis had spent a CP, the Lyrans did not.

The Kzintis also fought one round in approach at 0404, losing an SF but killing a Lyran DW.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, December 21, 2020 - 05:54 pm: Edit

*Salvage from FFS(0.625) SAD(0.5) added to treasury.

*PWC added:
*Feds: DN (3rd Fleet).
*Gorns: BD (Home Fleet).
*Tholians: PC (Tholia).

*Retrogrades:
*In 0803 bc SR go offmap. CLD SAV SAS go to 0902. BF goes to 1502.
*In 0803 ADM CC CL DD 2FFK 2FF 2CV TGC(2VP) CVE 3CLE 4EFF FCR FFG SF go to 1304.
*In 0803, all other units go to 1401.
*In 0403 ffk goes offmap.
*In 0504, Duke's Fleet goes to 0902.
*In 0403, DN cv go to 0902.

*Field repairs:
*In 0902, repair CV(5 EPs).

*Strategic movement:
(1 of 10) In 1704, CC goes to 1902.
(2-4 of 10) In 1304, LAV SAD LAS go to 1401.

*Reserves:
*Kzintis:
*1st (1704) 3BC 2CL CV CVL TGT(2VP) 2EFF.
*2nd (1704) BF CL CVE EFF SAV SAS.

*Kzinti DIPs moved toEarth and Gh'dar I.
*Gorn DIPs moved to Hydrax and Midketh (4309).
*Hydran DIPs moved to Earth and Gh'dar I.
*Fed DIPs moved to Hydrax, Sherman's Planet and Bezwel Index.

*Kzinti small transports all end up at 1401 or offmap.
*Other small transports return to their port of origin after movement if any.

*Kzinti treasury (end turn): 11.125 EP and 6FFF.
*Drone stockpile: 40.
*CPs: 0.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, December 21, 2020 - 10:28 pm: Edit

*Correct treasury:
*Post eco: 15 EP.
-4 EP trade with WYN.
+10 EP sold ship.
+1.125 EP salvage.
-5 EP Field Repair.
*Actual treasury at end turn: 17.125EP.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 - 04:39 pm: Edit

CT2

Eco: Nothing truly special. Though so far I've gone survey heavy.

Lyran: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxceqh9pz8d0a8g/Coalition%20Lyran.xlsx?dl=0
Klingon: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2o3ea6citfu8t96/Coalition%20Klingon.xlsx?dl=0
Romulan: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/690ijeojze9sisb0dphdu/Coalition-Romulan.xlsx?dl=0&rlkey=c2ep387tr643s395vzcyw9ac8
Vudar: Build 2*FW


Raids:
CW raids 1101. Kzinti reacts BT from SB 902 and kills the CW before retreating offmap. No capture.

D5 raids 1701. Raid fails; D5 returns unharmed.

Klingons use D5H in blockade run as part of the WYN shuffle.

The WYN shuffle:
Lyrans transfer 1 EP from Lyran WYNCOVIA to Klingon WYNCOVIA. Lyran = 5; Klingon =7.
Klingons BR 4 EPs into the WYN cluster using D5H (increasing Klingon WYNCOVIA by 6 for next turn).
Klingons BR the 7 EPs currently in their WYNCOVIA back to 1411.
During operational, Lyrans use DWT currently in WYN cluster to move back the 5 EPs in their WYNCOVIA.
During operational, Lyrans use DWT currently in the capital at 408 to deliver 4 EPs back to the WYN cluster (increasing Lyran WYNCOVIA by 6 for next turn).

Rinse, repeat on future turns.

By Stefano Predieri (Preda) on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 - 06:30 am: Edit

Maybe I get it wrong, but how can you blocade run money both to and from Wyn?
No more than 1 blockade run can hit the same exe, and a single ship can't both deposit and withdraw from Wyncovia...

The best I could come up with klingon is 3 E4T that do deposit with intermediate stockpile on 1009 (2 go back and forth from 1009 and WYn, the third BR the money from capital to 1009) and an LTT/D5H that do the withdraw by BR...
I too pass 1 EP from lyran to KLingo account regularly...

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 - 10:37 am: Edit

It was one blockade run, taking EPs there and then bringing OTHER EPs back.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 - 11:02 am: Edit

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Quote:

No more than 1 blockade run can hit the same exe, and a single ship can't both deposit and withdraw from Wyncovia...

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By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 - 06:04 pm: Edit

Note that (320.513) allow for one excess cargo ship for blockade running, so one could BR a ship for WYN sale and one EP (cargo) ship for the excess run ...

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 - 06:13 pm: Edit

320.513 does not say you can send two blockade runs to the WYN.

It says:

A: You can add a cargo ship (normally disqualified from raids) to a normal raid slot to do a blockade run.

B: You can do one blockade run even if all your raid slots have been already used.

C: One foreign/allied ship can be added to the raid pool (no more than one) to do a one way blockade run.

That's it; none of that permits two blockade runs involving the WYN star cluster by one empire on a given turn.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Thursday, December 24, 2020 - 07:38 pm: Edit

Let's look at that, for B we'll BR a ship for WYN sale, than A, BR EPs to WYN (and take waiting EPs back), the key word is 'excess' for the cargo run ...

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Thursday, December 24, 2020 - 09:16 pm: Edit

You can't do two blockade runs like that.

The word excess is for a 'raid' in excess of the normal limit (three for the Klingons).

The more specific rule (can't blockade run twice to the same place) overrides these more general rules.

Anyway, that's the way it is for this game unless Ted objects. If you really think it needs to be addressed you may want to take it to Q&A.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Friday, December 25, 2020 - 02:58 pm: Edit

I'm pretty sure (like 99.99% without verifying) that there is an explicit ruling that allows my use of a single BR to drop off and then pick up WYN cash. Since Richard and I agree it can work like this, I will leave it to others to do the work of looking up the ruling.