CT11

Strike that! Reverse it! Combat is over. The Klingons just fled from SB 2204 as a pinning action.

In Hydran space, the Hydrans were pushed back towards the Old Colonies a little more, but they still have some ships in Lyran space and still SB 0215.

In Kzinti space, the Kzinti kept planets 1001 and 1202, lost planet 1105. They still control planets 1502 and 1802. SB 1704 holds.

On the Fed/Klingon front, the Klingons recaptured planets 2106, 2306, 2509, 2610, but they left SB 2204 untouched.

On the Fed/Rom front, the Romulans killed BATS 3212, 3215, 3613, 3810, 3812. The Klingons killed BATS 3209. The Romulans captured planets 3210, 3612, 3711. Kind of a mess over on the Romulan front, currently.

Ships Killed:
-ZIN: CM, 2FF
-HYD: CR, CU, HN
-FED: NCL, FF

-LYR: DWS, DWE, SC
-KLI: F5E, F5
-ROM:

Sort of a real bad turn for the Alliance, but still, not a total disaster or anything.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 - 06:45 pm: Edit

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By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 - 06:46 pm: Edit

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By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 - 06:48 pm: Edit

CT11

The turn is over!

On the Hydran front, most Coalition ships fell back to 0617. The Lyrans have about 35 ships, plus a 9 ship reserve, at SB 0411. There is also a 9 ship reserve at SB 0608. There are also 2 small (4 and 6 ships) reserves (KLI, LYR) at 0617.

On the Kzinti front, there are about 80 ships spread between 1407 and 1506; about 80 ships at BATS 1807; a 10 ship reserve at SB 1509; a 12 ship reserve at BATS 1809.

On the Fed/Klingon front, the Klingons left 22 ships forward deployed at planet 2610 and another 26 ships forward deployed in 2710. There are about 30 ships, plus a small 3 ship reserve at the MB park in 2914.

On the Fed/Rom front, lots of province raiders, most of the Romulans fell back inside Romulan space. There are two modest reserves (4 and 3 ships) at SB 4015.

Map:
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/SCD4CT11end.html

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 - 08:19 pm: Edit

AT11

y173 FA T11

Kzinti Econ:

Command Points: 1 (AT10)

Exploration: (3) 100+5=105 (+5, 130 next)

Treasury: 12.05 (CT11)

Off Map Stockpile: 14 (AT10)

On Map Provinces (24): 17
Off Map Provinces (6): 16
Captured Provinces: 0
On Map Planets: (52): 21
Off Map Planets: (11): 11
Captured Planets: 0
Smuggled:

Total EP: 77.05

Construction T11:
-5 2FF (CV, EFF)
-15 3CM (MEC)
-2.5 FF (BC)
-5 2FF (CL)
-3 FFK (1703)
-7.5 3FF
-6 2SP
(-4 FKE off map)

Construction Total: 44 (4 off map)

Conversions:
-1 EFF>FKE (1704)
(-3 CM>MSC off map)

Conversion Total: 1 (3 off map)

Repairs:

Repair Total:

Adopt Homeless Ships: (.5 off map LTT; 1 line).

Total Spent: 45 (7.5 off map)

Treasury: 32.05 (AT11)

Off Map Stockpile: 6.5 (AT11)

FFF Left: 0

DBB:

Salvage:
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Hydran Econ:

Command Points: 1

Exploration: (3) 74+12=86 (+4, 100 next)

Treasury: 34.15 (AT11)

On Map Provinces (22): 3
Off Map Provinces (4): 12
Captured Provinces: 2
On Map Planets: (35): 0
Off Map Planets: (13): 13
Captured Planets: 0
Guild Treasury: 5 (20/30 AT11)

Total EP: 69.15

Construction T11:
-15 Shipyard #4
-5 2CU (0215, off map)
-5 DE (3 OCS FFF off map)

Construction Total: 25

Conversions:
-3+1 2HR>NEC, LN>DE (0215)

Conversion Total: 4

Repairs:

Repair Total:

Total Spent: 29

Treasury: 40.15 (AT11)

FFF Left: 0 (OCS Hybrid)

Salvage:

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Federation Econ:

Command Points: 2

Exploration: (8): 122+38=160 (+7, 190 next)

Treasury: 110.15 (AT11)

On Map Provinces (92): 55
Off Map Provinces (6): 20
Captured Provinces: 0.6
On Map Planets: (123): 97
Captured Planets: 0

Total EP: 282.75

Construction T11:
-14 DN+
-6 2FF (CA)
-7 NCD
-55 11NCL
-36 12FF (2204, 2808, 3611)
-0 SWAC
-14 2PDU (Earth, now 18)

Construction Total: 132

Activations T9:
-1 CA
-3 3CL
-3 3FF

Activation Total: 7

Conversions:
-2 DN>DN+ (3611)
-4 DD>SC (2908)
-2+12 CF>CVF (2908)
-2 2DD>DE (2908)

Conversion Total: 22

Repairs:
-9 (TG, 2NCL, 4FF 2908)

Repair Total: 9

Adopt Homeless Ships:

Total Spent: 170

Treasury: 112.75 (AT11)

DBB:

FFF Left: 0

Salvage:

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Tholians T11:

Build for AT11: PC

Convert: CA>CVA, PC>FCR

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, January 13, 2022 - 09:58 am: Edit

Thanks for the Map, Peter. Been following the game. A glance from an armchair quarterback leaves me with the impression that the Coalition are doing "OK" at this stage in the game, but that also means so is the Alliance.

By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Thursday, January 13, 2022 - 11:59 am: Edit

I love it when the game players post their maps. Makes the game come to life so much more. Do the programs like Vassal, etc, provide the ability to dump out the locations of all units in a game to a spreadsheet or text file or something? That would be cool to look at too sometimes.

And Peter/Jason thanks again for sharing your game with us!

--Mike

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, January 13, 2022 - 05:50 pm: Edit

Thanks for the words of support!

I'm not sure if Vassal does that sort of thing.

As of right now, I think the game is mostly a wash; the Coalition got a significant leg up this turn (the Romulan tides came in en-masse); I suspect that in the near future, the Alliance will take some hits (i.e. the Hydran SB in 0215 isn't gonna last much past the point when the Klingon and Lyran SBs get finished over 0617).

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, January 13, 2022 - 07:51 pm: Edit

AT11

The Alliance raided the Coalition 7 times, successfully disrupting 7 provinces; no extreme die rolls (4 Lyran, 2 Romulan, 1 Klingon captured provinces). The Feds built a cool new CVF (fast carrier), but as it turned out there were no targets vulnerable to even the CVF, it turns out that the CVF will probably just help out in pursuits.

On the Hydran front, so far, the Hydrans have pinned the Lyrans at SB 0411 and moved a little deeper into the map with the force that got pushed back last turn, attacking some province holders.

The Kzinti have so far attacked some Western province raiders, and sent significant forces to captured planets 1105 and 1504.

The Feds have sent forces to captured planets 2306 and 3210, big enough to beat any possible reserves.

Plenty left to move.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, January 15, 2022 - 09:27 am: Edit

AT11

Moves continue. The Hydrans mostly just recaptured the provinces they like holding from the Lyrans, and then send most of the rest of their fleet to SB 0411 (currently 77 Hydran ships and 21 SEQ of fighters facing 44 Lyrans with 5 SEQ of fighters over the SB, but another reserve of 7 significant ships can show up if so inclined).

On the Kzinti front, the Kzinti are killing some province raiders, taking back some planets, and sent some ships into Fed space to help them round up province raiders and liberate planet 2106. Notably, the Kzinti seem to be avoiding BATS 1807 this turn.

On the Fed/Klingon front, so far the Feds have moved to liberate some planets and are engaging the Klingons near the Capital.

Over on the Fed/Romulan front, so far they just moved to liberate planet 3210 (only held by a few small ships), planet 3612 (also only held by a few small ships), and engage some province raiders.

Lots of ships left to move.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, January 15, 2022 - 08:42 pm: Edit

AT11

It looks like the Alliance is wrapping up their moves. The Klingons reacted a bunch of ships off of planet 2610 into 2710, so probably a large fight in 2710, with the Feds having a modest ship advantage there. They also sent a significant force to get some province raiders in hex 2310, that can handle the reserve that can make it there.

On the Romulan front, a large force from SB 3611 moves to attack Romulan BATS 3516. There are some ships there, and some ships next to it, and some reserves that can get there, but the Feds will still probably have an edge up.

A few ships left to move.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 - 08:17 pm: Edit

AT11

Moves are done, reserves have been deployed!

On the Hydran front, 2 battle hexes. A moderate fleet attacking some province raiders in 0218; the bulk of the Hydran fleet against about half as many ships at SB 0411.

On the Kzinti front, 3 battle hexes. Planets 1105, 1504, and some province raiders in 0903 will all see a small Coalition ship get killed by bigger fleets.

On the Fed/Klingon front, 7 battle hexes. 2 hexes of Kzintis killing a small ship and liberating planet 2106; planet 2306 will see a small ship killed by Feds and the planet liberated; planet 2509 will see a small Klingon die and the planet liberated; hex 2110 will see a Fed FF get killed by some reserves; hex 2310 will see a small Klingon get blown up; hex 2710 has two fleets fighting-the Feds have a marginal ship advantage and a definite fighter advantage.

On the Fed/Romulan fight, 4 battle hexes. Planets 3210 and 3612 will be liberated and maybe a small Romulan will blow up; hex 3412 might see a small Romulan blow up; BATS 3516 sees a lot of Feds facing fewer Romulans, but still a bunch, and then a BATS.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, January 20, 2022 - 07:07 pm: Edit

AT11

Combat is well under way!

In Hydran space, the Hydrans killed an E4 and then retreated from a declined approach over SB 0411. It isn't impossible that the Hydrans will kill SB 0411 in the near future, but in general, it seems like killing SB 0411 is less important than keeping SB 0215 alive.

In Kzinti space, the Kzinti liberated planets 1105, 1504, and killed a province raider.

On the Fed/Klingon front, a bunch of E4s have been killed, planets 2106, 2306, 2509, and 2610 have been liberated, and a bunch of E4s have been exploded.

On the Fed/Romulan front, the Feds have liberated planets 3210 and 3612, and killed a couple small Romulans (an average number of cloaked evasion rolls have failed).

Currently, there is a fight in 2710 between 69 SEQ of Feds and 56 SEQ of Klingons (the Feds have a lot more fighters), and then a fight over Romulan BATS 3516, between 49 SEQ of Feds and 35 SEQ of Romulans.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, January 21, 2022 - 07:56 pm: Edit

AT11

Combat is over!

In Hydran space, not much happened. The Hydrans killed an FF, pinned things, and captured some Lyran space.

In Kzinti space, not much happened. They liberated a couple planets, killed a few FFs, and helped in Fed space some.

On the Fed/Klingon front, scads of small Klingons exploded that were holding Fed space; some planets were liberated, the Feds pushed a moderate Klingon fleet back from the Capital some.

On the Fed/Romulan front, a few small Romulans died when they failed to cloak, and in an unexpected exciting battle, the Feds got to vaporize a Romulan BATS (3516).

The two battles that had the potential to be bloody and protracted both turned out to be one round and done--the Feds fighting the Klingons (about 60 Feds vs about 50 Klingons) near the Capital just saw the Feds cripple some D5s, the Klingons kill an FF, and then run (no pursuit, as it seemed a bad trade with only 3 cripples). The Feds attacking the Romulan BATS saw no approach fight, and over the BATS, BIR was high, the Feds rolled a 6, and they just killed the BATS in one shot, losing an SC for their trouble.

Ships Killed:
-ZIN:
-HYD:
-FED: SC, 2FF

-LYR:
-KLI: 8E4, E4A, E3A
-ROM: SN, K4, (BATS)

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, January 22, 2022 - 08:46 am: Edit

AT11

The turn is over!

On the Hydran front, most of the Hydran fleet (84 ships, 5 auxes, 180.5+[39] fighters) including a small reserve are on SB 0215; there are about 20 ships in and around 0218; 12 ships holding Southern Lyran provinces (they are costing the Lyrans 7 EPs a turn in exchange for a couple HN, or 3.75 EPs per turn after salvage, as long as they can keep that up); then an 8 ship reserve off map.

On the Kzinti front, there are about 85 ships (including a solid 12 ship reserve) in 1401; 90 ships (including a solid 12 ship reserve) at SB 1704; a few small groups sitting on planets.

In Fed space, there are about 56 ships (including an 11 ship reserve) at SB 2204; about 80 ships (including a 13 ship reserve) in and around the Capital and SB 2808; 75 ships at SB 3611; solid dozen ship reserves at BATS 3206 and SB 3604; a few small groups of ships stationed around the map as well. The Klingons have about 50 ships in hex 2711 (i.e. in range of the Capital), and then another 35 not real impressive ships in hex 2914 (where the Klingons and Romulans are building co-located SBs, currently about to be BATS) that could theoretically hit the Fed Capital if they wanted to violate/conquer the Orion enclave, which I suspect that they won't do till the SBs are done, but once the SBs are finished, I suspect Orion will be conquered.

The Kzinti picked up 7 EPs from the Feds; the Feds end the turn with about 110 EPs in treasury; the Hydrans and Kzinti both have about 40 EPs in treasury (and then the Kzinti also have 6.5 EPs stockpiled off map).

Map:
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/SCD4AT11end.html

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, January 28, 2022 - 05:23 pm: Edit

CT12

The Klingons start the turn with about 380 EPs to spend. The build C8, D6M, D6U, AD5, D5S, 7D5, F5E, 5F5, 4E4; convert 2BATS>SB (0617, 2914), activate 2D6, upgrade a CVT to a CVT+, convert D6>D6M, D6>D6S, spend 17 EP on repairs, and then overbuild 20F5 (twenty F5s. For 120 EPs). They end econ with about 50 EPs in treasury.

The Lyrans start the turn with about 204 EPs to spend. They build DN, CVD, STJ, CWE, 2CW, DWE, 2DW, 3FF. Upgrade BATS>SB (0617). Convert CW>CWS. Spend a couple EPs on repairs. End with about 79 EPs in treasury.

The Romulans start the turn with about 127 EPs to spend. They build SUB, FFH, SPF, 2SP, SPC, 3SKE, SEH, FAL, SNB. Upgrade BATS>SB (2914). Spend a couple EPs on repairs. End econ with 14 EPs in treasury.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Friday, January 28, 2022 - 05:32 pm: Edit

That's a lot of F5s! I'm impressed the Klingons had 380 to spend on CT12!

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, January 28, 2022 - 06:06 pm: Edit

They have been saving a lot, haven't overbuilt anything to this point, and other than fighting over the Hydran capital, not a lot of repairs, generally speaking (and a lot of salvage).

In the last game we played with the same rules set, the Klingons and Lyrans each overbuilt 3-6 E4/FFs every turn starting on, like, T9, until, like, X-Ships hit. This being the first overbuilding the Coalition has done this game, seems about time :-)

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 04:16 am: Edit

Wow

I suppose the question is.... Which is better?

20 F5's (which are useable) or

24 E4's (are just pin factors/garrison forces) for your 120 Ep's?

The difference between 5 compot and 4 compot is far greater than 25%......


I would go for the F5's....

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 08:57 am: Edit

I would have built the E4s, personally, but as he was loaded with money, and the difference was pretty minimal, I totally understand the F5's. Yeah, you don't want them getting vaporized like the E4s all the time, but even if they do, they get the beneficial salvage bonus (an overbuilt, killed, salvaged E4 ends up costing you 4.375 EPs; an overbuilt, killed F5 ends up costing you 5.1 EPs), so the difference is pretty minimal. And putting 3F5 in a battle group is something worth doing, where putting 3E4 in a battle group isn't so much.

Like, the Klingons had a *lot* of money this turn; they generated about 190 EPs and had about 200 EPs in treasury. As this was the turn they were going to build 2SB (for 72 EPs), it was as good a time as any to see where the finances were and then finally splurge.

We both play this game as a long game. Which generally means there are very few targets that need killing *right now*, if it means fighting a bloody fight when it might be a less bloody fight later. So the Coalition have not taken a huge amount of damage to repair in the long run since the Hydran Capital fell (turn 8). The Alliance still have SB 0215, 1704, 2204, and 3611 (and 3604, 2901, and the three around Earth); some of these (if not most of them) will probably die in the future (or the now, as the case may be), but Jason tends to wait for beneficial conditions to have a big bloody fight; the Klingons can kill SB 2204 this turn if they want, but it might be easier to kill next turn, for example, so why not wait till it is easier to kill?

By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 11:48 am: Edit

>> I would go for the F5's....
>> I would have built the E4s

I prefer the F5 since it is better at absorbing damage, and is an odd ship that repairs at 0.2 (best repair cost in the game). The F5 also converts into mostly better variants.

But, for pure pinning cost efficiency the E4 is probably the better choice.

--Mike

By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 12:07 pm: Edit

>> it might be easier to kill next turn, for example, so why not wait till it is easier to kill?

Great lesson here for the Coalition in particular. Patience is a virtue. Sometimes by waiting and threatening multiple targets simultaneously, the Alliance will then naturally retreat and be forced to pick the most valuable things to defend. And those inevitably more lightly defended targets are then ripe for the Coalition to take. The Alliance can't defend everything strongly everywhere -- they don't have enough ships.

--Mike

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 12:59 pm: Edit

Mike wrote:
>>I prefer the F5 since it is better at absorbing damage, and is an odd ship that repairs at 0.2 (best repair cost in the game). The F5 also converts into mostly better variants.>>

Like, just for sake of the dynamic, I suspect that the thing that the Coalition need more of, generally speaking, are tiny cheap ships that are just going to be sacrificed more than anything else; the thing that the Klingons use E4s for more than anything is just burning them in hexes where 3 or 4 Coalition ships (say, D6, F5, E4) that are holding Alliance provinces are set upon by a larger force that will automatically kill a small ship and not take any significant damage in return, so the hex is just "An E4 is sacrificed and the Klingons retreat". Which happens many, many times per turn (see, for example, AT11, where the Klingons lost, what, essentially 10E4s to this sort of thing, doing zero damage in return, and the repair costs weren't an issue as, well, they were too busy being dead :-)

I mean, I fully understand getting the F5s instead, on the grounds that if they *are* gonna see actual combat, F5s are certainly better. But if those overbuilds are, essentially, all going to end up dying instantly to larger forces they can't hurt, the E4's are a better deal. But then, the Klingons still have something like 75 E4 hulls on the map, so the F5s are probably a totally reasonable purchase :-)

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 01:07 pm: Edit

Mike also wrote:
>>Great lesson here for the Coalition in particular. Patience is a virtue.>>

Yep; like, a thing that seems to get sort lost sight of a lot of the time is that this is a *long* game (and I suspect a lot of the time, players tend to be more bloody minded early in the game, simply 'cause they realize that the game might not last past T10, just due to the realities of life). And usually, killing a thing *now* isn't particularly necessary. I mean, sometimes it is, but usually it isn't.

For example, the Klingons can (as noted above), probably easily kill SB 2204 this turn (there are probably 200 ships in range and only about 60 ships sitting on it), but in the next couple turns, as the Klingons get closer to the Capital, the Feds might have more important priorities to defend and different places for reserves to be, and it might get easier to kill in the next couple turns. I mean, maybe they'll kill it this turn, but maybe they'll just wait a little longer. As it isn't going anywhere.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 06:15 pm: Edit

CT12

Moves are underway.

On the Hydran front, the Lyrans have rounded up Hydran province raiders (seeing, like, 35 Lyrans attacking the dozen Hydrans in 2 hexes), and the Klingons sent about 30 SEQ to attack about 25 SEQ of Hydrans in hex 0218.

On the Kzinti front, the Lyrans have sent about 20 ships to planet 1001, where the Kzinti have 4 ships. Not much else has happened there yet.

On the Fed/Klingon front, the Klingons have sent small groups of ships to attack planets 2106, 2306, and 2610 (all devastated).

On the Fed/Romulan front, the Klingons sent a few ships to hit planet 3210, the Romulans sent 4 ships to attack planet 3612 (defended by 4 ships), and then they have sent more or less every ship in range of SB 3611 (about 110 SEQ, defended by about 86 SEQ). Given that the Romulans have sent Aux Carriers, I imagine they plan on killing the SB this turn.