@Richard. I'm this happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopNAI8Pefg

@Paul: I don't think this rule change consequence was intended. I think it's an unintended result.

Unless, you can read 537.11 as being any two of the list, including two of the same (i.e., can have 2 G ships to prevent auto-rebellion).

Which means you *can* stop auto-rebellion on a planet fairly easily.

As an aside: In my other current game (Conflagration) we're playing that way so that planets do not automatically go into rebellion.

I currently have official Q&A up on the new 537 issues.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, April 04, 2022 - 02:49 pm: Edit

Happiness is mandatory. Failure to be happy will result in reassignment to garrison duty on Hydrax until happiness quota is achieved.

Are you happy?

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, April 04, 2022 - 03:03 pm: Edit

Yes. Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVM1nUmDHHc

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, April 10, 2022 - 08:31 pm: Edit

Operational movement is complete. The Coalition succeed in all 8 raids, six in Fed space, the other two in Kzinti territory (I think).

The Klingons invade the Federation, attacking most of the Fed BATS on the Klingon border as well as the 7th Fleet starbase.

In the Marquise area, the Coalition attack a BATS and the planet, but both attacks will be foiled by reserves.

The Coalition also send a raid against 1401, probably to redevastate the planets there.

In Hydran space, the Coalition are reducing the last on map Hydran planet and have sent a large force to try and attack SB 0215, which is defended by most of the remaining Hydran fleet.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 04:26 pm: Edit

Battle hex 0215 just finished the FIFTEENTH round of battle. Both sides have almost all their ships crippled; the Coalition has been self killing sometimes for tactical reasons. It's a bloodbath.
The Hydrans are down to 29 fighter factors; they started with 199.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 05:02 pm: Edit

I have been keeping careful notes for this battle. I knew that it would be close, and that I would need some luck to take down the SB. So, I carefully have kept track of his remaining defpot, my remaining defpot, rolls made, damage done, etc. Since I had good luck at the beginning phases of the battle, I elected to see if I could take this to the end and watch Richard cripple more or less the entire Hydran fleet.

Theoretically I could still be forced to retreat if I suffer a few bad rolls from here. But the Hydran fleet will still be mush regardless, for some time to come. And the SB now has 7*SIDS.

The butcher bill will be heavy, regardless.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 07:27 pm: Edit

When I said nearly the ENTIRE Hydran navy was crippled, I wasn't kidding. This is what is NOT crippled of the Hydran Navy, as of CT7 end:

2*LN, SA, CU, GRV, 3*FCR, LAV.

In addition, there are 2*FLG, 4*POL, PV.

EVERYTHING else is crippled. This includes:

2*PAL, 2*LGE, 2*LB, 2*LM, 5*RN, 8*DG, 2*THR, D6D (CAPTURED), 4*TR, 8*HR, 2*LN, 5*KN, 3*CR, 17*CU, 16*HN, 2*DE, PGS, 4*SC, 2*LNG, 2*HNG, 4*TG, AND 4*FFT.

285 Repair points, 142.5 EPs. Though, of course, the depot is going to make a HUGE difference to the true cost of repairs.

Hydran KIA: RN*, FFT, SAS*, FTS* (slow pursuit), 2*SAV* (slow pursuit)


The Hydrans gave better than they got, of course (fighting over a SB and all). Of the 100 or so Coalition SEQ that hit up SB215 this turn, the following are KIA ("*" means directed):

Klingon: D6M*, D6D*, 3*D5, 2*F5L, 3*F5, 3*E4, D6J*, F5J*, {CVT, AD5, F5E}* (CV group was crippled and supporting fighters forward in the SE - yes, that's how brutal the battle got at the end).

Lyran: DNL*, BC*, STJ*, 3*CW, DW

Coalition losses: 26.82 SEQ.

Hydran losses: 4.75 SEQ.

Net SEQ shift: -22.07 SEQ in favor of the Alliance.


Coalition WIA:
Klingon: D6M, FD7, 3*D5, F5L, 4*F5, 12*E4, 2*{D6V,AD5,F5E}, {D5V,AD5,F5E}, 2*{D6V,2*F5E}, {D6V,F5L,F5E}, D6D, 5*F5S, D6G.

Lyran: 2*CC, CA, 5*CW, 3*DW, FF, {TGC+V,CWE,DWE}, CLS, 5*DWS, 2*DDG.

Total repair points: 205, for a cost of 102.5 EPs. Which I'm likely to actually pay over time in order to get the ships on the line against the Federation faster.

My uncrippled units left: 2*TGA+AL, D7, 3*D6D, E4R, 2*F5J, 2*F5G, 7*FF, DWS, CLS, FCR.

Probably too much damage for just killing a SB - I over-committed, I think. On the other hand, the Hydrans have no more hard points on-map.

BIG MONEY, BIG CARNAGE!

I probably would have bugged out early, but my rolls were generally very good. The last set of rolls was the slow pursuit round. Damage done is what was *actually* applied after minus points each round, which is why the numbers might look wonky.

Rolls	Coal. Dmg	Aln. Dmg.
4/6/1	39	45
2/5/5	33	41
1/5/2	31	22
5/4/1	36	31
3/4/2	27	36
2/4/4	25	43
2/5/2	23	30
5/2/4	21	50
6/3/3	28	49
4/1/1	24	35
1/1/4	11	31
3/1/6	13	48
1/6/3	21	26
5/5/2	24	38
5/3/6	18	46
6/2/4	19	42
5/6/4	43	47
5/1/5	26	5

Total number of combat roll sets: 19 (18 rounds plus slow pursuit).
Average VBIR roll: 3.611
Coalition average combat roll: 3.556
Alliance average combat roll: 3.278

Of greatest importance here is that, as can be seen, many of my high rolls and many of his low rolls were in the first 8-10 rounds of the battle. That made a big difference to victory with forces evenly matched as they were. Note I'm not saying I "won" because of luck, only that I committed to go the distance because of the rolls I observed. In some ways this decision favors Richard due to the major loss of Coalition SEQ. On the other hand, I will pretty much rule the Hydran roost for many turns to come...

It remains to be seen whether these events have any significant impact on the overall course of the game.

Still, huge, exciting battle!

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 07:40 pm: Edit

Note that not all of the Hydran ships were uncrippled before battle hex 0215, quite a lot were crippled from 0617.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 07:43 pm: Edit

Other battles:

Coalition re-devastates the outer planets at the Kzinti capital system. This costs me some more SEQ to directed ships, but I killed his small escorts in return, so roughly a wash at 1401.

The initial attack on the Federation was very anemic. This game was in abeyance for many months due to RL issues, so I can't really self-reflect and know why I screwed it up. I typically like to cross the border with at least 150 ships, and I think had maybe just under 100 this game. As a result, I only bagged the border BATS and the 7th Fleet SB (which is pretty easy game, after all). No real damage was done to the Federation economy on CT7.

Also, I left Marquis mostly alone. I made a half-hearted attempt to kill some BATS and planets there, but reserves (1 Fed, 1 Zin) saved them. I didn't have the units in the theater to both take on Marquis *and* re-devastate the Kzinti capital system outer planets - and they would have recovered this turn had I not devastated them. Hence, I decided to wait to take on Marquis SB.

It's *hardly* game over for me, but I generally find myself in a better board position at the end of CT7 in most games I play Coalition. I suspect the reason for the weaker offensive position is the fact that Richard is honestly the best F&E player I go up against... So, hat's off to you, Richard. Maybe there's better players out there, but I have yet to play against you!

The game remains quite interesting, of course.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 07:45 pm: Edit

Mr. Calhoon was better than me. Yeesh.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 07:56 pm: Edit

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By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 07:58 pm: Edit

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By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 08:06 pm: Edit

Oh, yes, you also got their wheelbarrow.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 08:08 pm: Edit

The Coalition destroyed 191 out of 199 Hydran fighter factors located at 0215 (that's why a lot of Hydran cripples were there - to contribute their fighter factors).

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - 08:22 pm: Edit

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By Paul Howard (Raven) on Saturday, April 23, 2022 - 03:40 am: Edit

I would guess both sides will need slightly more than just a hammer to 'bang some dents' out of those ships?

6 DG's, LN, 5 x KN, 6 x HN is 6 turns of Depot repairs...

... so how many years worth of free repairs you willing to allocate ships to?

And will the 2 x Pal and 2 x LGE go through Depot?

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat) on Saturday, April 23, 2022 - 08:08 am: Edit

One imagines the Hydrans don't have 142EPs. And even if they were to skip their shipyard, accumulating them would take approximately forever. Therefore, heavy depot use has to make sense for them.

And with the depot available, skipping the yard probably makes less sense than it does in the basic game.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, April 25, 2022 - 10:55 am: Edit

Hydran Eco for AT7 (subject to change):

Richard Eitzen

Fri, Apr 22, 8:04 PM (3 days ago)

to me
A6 ODM Hydran eco

*Old Survey: 51
*A6 Survey roll: 5 + 2 + 1
*New Survey Total: 59.

*Previous Treasury (A6 end eco): 20EP 1.5FFF
*Spent A6: 4EP to partial grid(spent), 16EP for Field Repair.
*C7 salvage: (FFT RN SAS) = 3.13, 3 spent).
*End C7 treasury: 0.13EP.

*Income: 1.5FFF, 4 EP(Onmap) 17 EP(Offmap) + 4EP(survey) +5 (Guild treasury 2/6) = 1.5FFF 30 EP.
*National Debt: 13.54EP
*Pay interest: -1.35EP
*Borrowing limit 10.
*Pay debt 13.54.
*Extra exhaustion turns: 1/2.
*Current Treasury: 15.24 3FFF
Current Debt: 0 EP.

*Production:
ENG HR/TR MSY T4
8 Med SY (turn 1 of 6)
Free POL Callup(0116) PT
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8 EP

Conversions:
2 2DG->2LB(OM, CDR)
Repairs:
5 EP 2DG CU
Free Add THR TR CR to depot.
Borrowing limit remaining: 10EP.
Treasury at end eco: 0.24EP, 3FFF, 0CP, 0EP debt.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, April 25, 2022 - 11:00 am: Edit

Well, "forever" is a *slight* exaggeration.

As can be seen, Hydran eco is roughly 30 EPs/turn (for 4 turns), but after 4 more turns the guild will run dry. But he has other ways of finagling income (more survey, HRS, raids of occupied provinces) so I'll call it a wash for the foreseeable future.

He has paid off the national debt this turn. The medium yard is 8 EPs per turn, leaving 22 income. Assume a couple of EPs for the odd fighter here and there and/or conversion (like the beautiful DG->LB CDR conversion he's probably going to do with all the DGs). Maybe a PRD.

Anyhoo, at 20 EPs/turn it would take 140/20 = 7 turns to work through repairs, but after including the depot that number is likely closer to 4-5.

The Hydran fleet will soon be back, and in greater numbers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWb07Xh4jaA

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, April 25, 2022 - 11:08 am: Edit

This is actually the 2nd turn of the MSY production, not the first.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, April 25, 2022 - 12:26 pm: Edit

*A7 Kzinti Eco

*Start survey total: 68.
*Survey roll: 11+2(PT)+1.
*New total: 82.


*Treasury 20, FFF(end of A6).
*C7 borrowed: 0
*A7 Wyncovia = 1.54EP(start).
*A7 trade rights = 10.31(start)+6 (new) = 16.31.

*A6-C7 Salvage: 4FKE EFF (3.63EP).
*A6-C7 DBB EP(1401 1.2DBB C7) = 1.2EP.
*A7 start turn treasury: 22.51 EP 6FFF.
*A7 debt at turn start: 25.69 EP.
*CPs: 1.

*Income:
*On map (outside capital hex): 3 (1702 1801 1704 -disrupted) + 3 (Dmitris) + 2(1401) = 8.
*Off map: 17+8 = 25.
*Capital: 5 (Kzintai) + 6(3 dev major) + 4(4 dev minor) = 15
*Captured nz: 0.
*Captured provinces: 0.
*Captured planets: 0.
*Other income: 4(DIP).
*Total income: 52EP.

*National debt: 25.69EP.
*Borrowing limit: 10.4.
*Interest payment: 2.57EP.
*Pay debt: 4.2EP.
*Current treasury balance: 68.74EP 6FFF.


*Production:
12 CV(6FFF)
6 TGT (sub BC)
18 3MEC(sub MEC 2CM)
22 FFK FKE 5FF FFG(one FF OM one 1704) (sub CL 6FF)
0 Activate PT
3 Callup POL 1702 PV 1401.
0 (OM) MSY-CM#1(ENG)-T4
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61 Total


*Conversions:
1 EP (OM) FFK->FKE
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1 EP
*Repairs:
3 (OM) 3FFK
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3 EP

Depot
Free CLE FF enters depot
Free BC FFK repaired by depot
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64 Total

*EPs Borrowed: 0.

*New Borrowing Limit remaining: 10.4.
*Current debt: 22.5EP.

*Treasury: 3.74EP, 0FFF.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Monday, April 25, 2022 - 02:54 pm: Edit

I am not saying the Hydran are 'OK' - but with the Medium Ship yard, Depots and Guild Money, the Hydrans are actually going to recover fairly quickly.

The TR and CR are ideal candidates for the depot

The question is - would the Hydrans spend the balance of 42 Ep's to upgrade it to the Main Shipyard?

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, April 25, 2022 - 03:20 pm: Edit

Probably not, considering minor shipyards are a thing. They would though, if they retake and can keep 0617.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, April 25, 2022 - 03:30 pm: Edit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klidgum0_v8

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Monday, April 25, 2022 - 06:26 pm: Edit

*A7 Gorn:
*Initial treasury: 7DIP EP.
*Income: 3DIP(Midketh) 4DIP EP.
*New treasury: 14 DIP EP.
Production: (PWC)HD, 2xBD (6th Fleet).
*Conversions: Convert HD to HCD (Home Fleet PWC).
*Home Fleet: (5) CL->SR 2nd Fleet (3)CL->BC 3rd Fleet(3) CL->BC.
*New Treasury: 3 DIP EP.

*Tholians:
*Production: 2919:PC, PCE.
*Conversions: 2919: 2PC->CA.

*No neutral planets change status.