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To add to the headaches, here's the bases that were added, rebuilt and then upgraded (on top of ship production) ---

ROMULAN –
Gale Force [(608)/FO] reports Vesuvius has an added SB, but Maelstrom [(675)/SO] reports this as a STB (unless this is a second added base) with Winds of Fire [(617)/AO] reporting as an SB. So, should FO report this as a BTS (608.F1) or should SO delete its STB reference (675.F1)?
Need to account for two STBs (3516/4710) by Y178F (T#21) and two SBs by Y181S (T#26) plus Vesuvius (MB/BTS/STB/SB) and 3415 (MB/BTS [675]).

GORN –
Of the three MBs listed for the Gorn supply to Tholia (3203, 3008, 2914), all are three OPBs?
4506 upgrade (STB/SB) plus 12 PDU for capital upgrades.

THOLIAN –
Base loses in 2819 (SB) that accounts for its lost and rebuild to STB by Y178F (T#21) with just Nutcracker starting in Y177S…[Y177S(MB), Y177F(BTS), Y178S(STB) does account but planting an MB during Nutcracker?]

KLINGON –
Only 1 PDU placed on Hydrax (603.UA3)?
Account for 2 MB (total six needed – 218,1411, 1507, 1813, 716, 1017) plus 6 BTS [first 4 608, 2 675], plus 2 STB (1107, 2014 [608]) plus 3 SB (1411 [675], 1107, 2014 [617]).
Should the base in 218 be in 118 to be adjacent to the Lyran base?

LYRAN –
Only 1 PDU placed on Hydran Capital Minor?
Account for 5 MB (total eight needed – 1105, 1411, 1013, 1807 [603], 212, 413, 117, 1307 [before 608]), plus 6 BTS (all but 1411, 1013 [608]), 2 STB (706, 413 [675]) and 2 SB (705, 413 [617]).
Whatever happen to the 1105 MB, never mentioned after 603 (plus Klingons take over in 675)??
Lyran MB listed in 1305 in 608, but 1307 in 675 and 617 (as BTS).

The Tholian is more subtraction than addition, but …

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 08:08 am: Edit

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617.125 – should this chart be max/min to show lost SMs due to SB losses?

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 08:19 am: Edit

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617.6 – Add Sector resources here [follow (675.6) format]??

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 06:41 pm: Edit

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(617.B1) – Do any starting PDUs have PFs?--Stew # SVC DOES NOT KNOW
(617.B2) – Do the 4 PDUs on 1010 have PFs?--Stew # SVC DOES NOT KNOW

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Monday, June 21, 2021 - 10:47 am: Edit

(617) - PFs = All Lyran original Planets, all Klingon original planets and the Tholia have PFs to their original capacity (one per minor, two per major and four on the capital). Both the Lyran and Klingon have used all their (502.62) allotment so planet 1010 would depend on Lyran priorities.

The Tholians have had 12 PF to place on their bases and start the scenario with 6 more. The Kzinti have placed 6 PFs on their bases (Turn #25) and start the scenario with 6 each on the next two turns.

Hydran planets 0416 and 0519 can have PFs by using their last free (502.62) PFs (along with their two on-map BTS) by (502.615), the previous 12 are in their off-map bases or the 'pool' for use.

The Federation start the scenario with 6 F111 (FVMs) and the annuit/pay-as-you-go decision.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Monday, June 21, 2021 - 10:56 am: Edit

Stage 3
(617.125) - By (204.38) the following empires have fewer Strategic Moves, the Hydrans are at 5 (3 lost DBs), the Kzinti are at six (3 lost SB plus one built) and the Federation has 9 (3 lost SBs) [Recommend 2/4/2/1]

(617.F2) - Replace Romulans with Gorns.

Stage 4 awaits ...

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 22, 2021 - 05:49 pm: Edit

617.A42 a note in the margin asks about the starbase in 0413.

617.A6 A note in the margin asks about new production. Another such note asks about crippled ships.

617.C5 A note in the margin asks about SAVs. Another such note asks about crippled ships.

617.D5 A note in the margin asks about ship equivalents. Another such note asks about crippled ships.

617.E5 A note in the margin asks about ship equivalents. Another such note asks about crippled ships.

617.F5 A note in the margin asks about ship equivalents. Another such note asks about crippled ships.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, June 16, 2021 - 05:44 pm: Edit

(617.B1) Any returning Remus forces arrive by Strategic Movement in that phase.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, June 18, 2021 - 02:50 pm: Edit

(617.A6-1) – Add ‘…in Sector A.’ to first sentence.--Stew SVC DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THIS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN BETTER?

By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Saturday, June 19, 2021 - 03:01 am: Edit

I think I see the issue Stewart is pointing at. The first sentence is "No Lyran unit can enter Hydran or Klingon space." The problem is that bars them from ALL Klingon space when you combine this Sector Scenario with others including the Klingons, as the intent of that part of the Hydran-Lyran ceasefire is too keep the Lyrans out of the area the Hydrans will be fighting the Klingons, ie not be additional forces for the Coalition is that zone of Klingon space. But since the rule doesn't say that, it means the Lyrans can't entire ANY Klingon territory that is in play.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Saturday, November 20, 2021 - 06:18 pm: Edit

(617.532) WYN Ship Sales: The Klingons, Kzintis, and Lyrans have exhausted their sales rights at the beginning of the war; new sales rights for all Sector B empires are obtained at the start of Turn #21.

Fastest ship sales would be on Turns #21, 22, 24, leaving one sale from Turn #26 onward, though it might be possible for an empire (Kzinti say) to have two sales available ...

FOBS: According to the WYN history no new ship sales took place. Ryan Opel 20 Nov 21

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 04:50 pm: Edit

Ryan; I think you sent the wrong report. The 617 items you sent me which I posted AS IS in the adjoining topic don't match the rule numbers of 617 anywhere. For example, there is no such rule as (617.211) nor is thee such a rule as (675.221). Please advise.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 06:44 pm: Edit

Okay, Ryan called, nobody told me their plan to fix 617 was to edit a copy of the new 675 rather than fixing 617. I will look at that tomorrow, and may or may not get it done before surgery.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, June 27, 2022 - 12:07 pm: Edit

Apologies if any or all of this has been addressed elsewhere:

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Between the data available from the (634.0) INTO THE WHIRLPOOL scenario in Tactical Operations, plus the WYN navy counters on both the TacOps and Civil Wars countersheets, is there enough to enable a revision of (617.B6) that allows the Lyrans and/or Klingons to launch their historical invasions of the WYN Cluster? Or might this need to wait until after a more "complete" order of battle is to be drawn up for the WYNs, perhaps in the forthcoming Civil Wars rulebook itself?

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Speaking of Tactical Operations, has (or is) the production schedules for the relevant belligerent empires been (or to be) updated in order to account for the new X-ship counters printed on the TacOps countersheet - or, at least, for those X-units which were historically available during the time period covered by this scenario?

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Also, this is something I'm fairly sure has been noted somewhere already - but is there any update as to whether or not the Seltorian data from Minor Empires is, or has been, leveraged in order to revise both (617.D33) and (617.D34)?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, June 27, 2022 - 06:14 pm: Edit

These have all been accounted for.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, June 28, 2022 - 03:10 pm: Edit

Thank you kindly for the updates.


One other question:

According to (527.27), the Federation player is permitted to build the GVX Powell on Turn #29 or later. Is there, or should there be, any particular sector to which the Powell would be historically deployed to during the course of this scenario, or should it be left open for the Fed player to deploy at their discretion?

The R-section entry for the GVX in my copy of the Federation Master Starship Book does not state which front(s) the ship was deployed to during the General War, though it does note its transfer to the Second Fleet at the war's end (which tracks with its listing on the Y186 Federation order of battle in ISC War).

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, June 28, 2022 - 07:12 pm: Edit

For WoF: Main effort (Sector D).

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, June 28, 2022 - 09:12 pm: Edit

Duly noted, thank you kindly.

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 - 04:55 pm: Edit

SVC Ignore all Above I'll work on line items as needed.