The sheet as it stands. Things added are not confirmed, things not added were not rejected outright but need more info/thought.

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By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, May 17, 2024 - 05:13 pm: Edit

RESPONSES TO CHUCK
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Fed STX (9H6) ADDED
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Orion conjectural 'Exploitation' Survey Ships / "SSR" Salvage Cruiser with 2 Special Sensors in option boxes. Compot 4-8*/2-4
SEEMS TO BE NEW SHIP, REFER TO SPP FOR APPROVAL
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Orion APT ADDED
Orion Theater Transport (on O-SIT but no reference #) / SLT Compot: 2-4UC/1-2 ADDED
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Klingon D6N 7-8D/4D ADDED
Klingon STBA (Stasis) ADDED
Klingon STXA (Stasis) ADDED
Klingon STX ADDED
Klingon B10DAMN Diplomatic Battleship Drone Stasis Mauler (IKV Persuader) 20(4)A+DD/10(2)DD
NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS BUT THERE WERE ONLY FOUR AVAILABLE COUNTERS SO NO.
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Tholian LARGE WEB TENDER (LWT): Module R11 (R7.59)
Tholian JUMBO WEB TENDER (JWT): Module R11 (R7.117)
Tholian JUMBO WEB TENDER - alt (JWTA): Module R11 (R7.118)
ONE IS ENOUGH
Tholian HEAVY WEB TENDER (HWT): Module R11 (R7.58)
Tholian Combat Tug TGA R7.54 Module R9
Tholian APT
Tholian campaign DIP
Tholian campaign FHL NOT SURE
Tholian STX
ADDED FOR NOW
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Neo-Tholian Survey Ship (NSR) R7.79 Module R9 ADDED
Neo-Tholian Survey Carrier (NSRV) R7.79A Module R9 NO ROOM
Neo-Tholian Tug NTG R7.78 Module R9

Rom STX
Gorn STX
Kzinti STX
Hydran STX
Lyran STX
ADDED
New sheet to be posted later

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, May 20, 2024 - 02:39 pm: Edit

Revised sheet



Some items in mirror may be larger or smaller than they appear.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Sunday, May 26, 2024 - 08:18 pm: Edit

DONE.

Alternatively, if there are any red counters still left over: how about a Romulan "GryphonHawk-S" for survey use, derived from the GryphonHawk-C (R4.A41) counter printed in Tactical Operations?

Indeed, since the base hull of the GryphonHawk (R3.135) is as modular as that of the SparrowHawk, perhaps it could be given counters for some of its other possible configurations, either here or on other countersheets? (For example: I just requested the "GryphonHawk-G" over in the Combined Operations Countersheet Kilo thread.)

FEDS is supportive of adding GHS at K-5; Factors 6-7*/3-4 with white scout diamond

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, May 30, 2024 - 05:09 pm: Edit

Working on this today.
Sheet has the codename SIERRA for now.
STX counters added last time.
Decided last time against doing Draco.
space reserved last time for tholian NSR.
The product currently has three of this sheet; we could decide to include four. The price will increase either way, but more if a fourth is added.
Kept two generic STX, one with PFs, one without.
Orion BRS approved by Petrick, added to orion MSSB and scheduled for CL55.
Requests for SBX counters not yet fully denied.
Tholian NTG added.
Orion TG added.
Romulan FHT added
Tholian APT added
Lyran DNHP, DNQ added.
D7N- ADDED
THOLIAN FRD ADDED
FHK added.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, May 30, 2024 - 05:20 pm: Edit

Revised sheet as of today

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, June 02, 2024 - 07:04 am: Edit

FEDS RECOMMENDATIONS for SIERRA: DONE

Romulan GHS at K-5; Factors 6-7*/3-4 with white scout diamond

Romulan K4T at K-4 . Factors 2-4U/1-2

Fed FFP: Slot A-8; Factors 1-5U[G]/0-3; Ref 48; Product SO; CR 3; Y140; Size FF(4); From FF: 1, From FFT: 1; For FF: 3; Salv 0.750; Notes: VIP Transport/Troop Transport. Carries personnel OR one "G" factor of ground troops but not both; can carry pod but cannot carry EPs (no internal cargo). Cannot lead ground assaults but can serve as a consort and deliver one 'G' factor as replacement only.
FEDS Note: Replaces one of the two conjectural war dreadnoughts (DNW) on the SIERRA sheet.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, June 06, 2024 - 05:35 pm: Edit

UPDATED SHEET

By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Friday, June 07, 2024 - 08:34 am: Edit

DONE

C1 - Federation NDC is showing its drone bombardment factors with incorrect formatting. [4] should be ‹4›

D18 and E14 - Kzinti NCD is showing its drone bombardment factors with incorrect formatting. [4] should be ‹4›

G3 and G4 - Klingon DWD is showing its drone bombardment factors with incorrect formatting. [4] should be ‹4›

<FONT COLOR="119911"><B>FEDS: CONCURS with the above corrections.

Comment: I too prefer the symbol '‹' and '›' [keyboard Shift-Option-3 and -4] over the < > as these characters look too wide on the the printed counter but I don't think we can do anything about that now.</B></FONT>

SVC: cannot use them, too small to see.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, June 07, 2024 - 02:07 pm: Edit

DONE B18
Suggested Add:

Gorn CLX: Factors 12/6; Ref 207; Product SO; CR 7; Y183; Size CLX(3); From CL: 6; For CL: 12; Salv 4.000; Notes: X-Ship §
FEDS Comment: This GW era ship was left-off out of TO as we did not have enough counter space.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, June 07, 2024 - 04:13 pm: Edit

DONE 7 JUNE 4PM

Suggested ADDS to SIERRA:

Tholian HDWQ 6-7(1)*/3-4(0.5); (color survey diamond)
Tholian HDWT 6-7(1)/3-4(0.5)
Tholian HDWR 6-7(1)R/3-4(0.5)
Tholian NSRV 5-9(3)*W/2-5(1.5); (color survey diamond); Neo-Tholian Survey Carrier (NSRV) R7.79A Module R9

Romulan FHU: 7-9(8H)*/3-5(4H): FireHawk-U Scout (Medium) Carrier
Romulan K5T: 2-5U/1-3

The factors of the Tholian NSR are 5-9*W/2-5 (color survey diamond) at slot M-7.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, June 07, 2024 - 04:45 pm: Edit

DONE
Orion BRQ replaced by SPP with new DCRQ.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, June 07, 2024 - 05:40 pm: Edit

Recommended F&E Data on DCRQ:

DCRQ @ SIERRA C-10: Ref 31Q?; Factors 7-9*/3-5; Prod SO, CR 8; Y172?; size DCR(3); From 2CR: 7; From DCR: 5; For DCR: 14; Salv 2.250; Note: Survey Ship, Scout (2EW:2AF)(1EW:7AF)

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, June 11, 2024 - 07:12 am: Edit

DONE
SIERRA Suggested ADDS:

GREEN spaces in priority order:

Slot I-20: Hydran NCVH: Ref 33; Factors 3-7(8H)/1-4(4H); Y177: Notes: Medium Heavy Fighter Carrier of NCV

Slot J-20: Hydran CVH: Ref 15; Factors 3-8(8H4.5)/1-4(4H2); Y179: Notes: Medium Heavy Fighter Carrier of CV

Slot K-20: Hydran ICH: Ref 84; Factors 5-12(8H14)/2-6(4H7); Y177: Notes: Heavy Carrier with Heavy Fighters: 8H+12OS+2Casual (Steel Chancellor)

Slot L-20: Hydran OH: Ref 56; Factors 11-10(8H3)/5(4H1.5); Y182: Notes: Medium or Heavy Carrier with Heavy Fighters of OS

Slot L-17: Hydran PGH: Ref 90; Factors 4-7(8H)/2-4(4H); Y177: Notes: Medium Heavy Fighter Carrier of Pegasus-V

FEDS: Note that the MSSB data lists that these all these ships can carry heavy fighters on the carrier tables.

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Slot L-16: Hydran PFs, CHANGE to read: 2PF front factor 4; 1PF back factor 2

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, June 11, 2024 - 07:45 am: Edit

DONE

SIERRA Suggested ADDS:

YELLOW spaces in priority order:

Slot N-20: Lyran CVZ: Ref 12; Factors 8(8H)/4(4H); Y176: Notes: Heavy Carrier with Heavy Fighters of CV (515.21)

Slot L-13: Lyran CVMH: Ref 70; Factors 7(8H)/4(4H); Y176: Notes: Medium Heavy Fighter Carrier of CVM

Slot L-14: Lyran NCVH: Ref 95; Factors 4-8(8H)/2-4(4H); Y176: Notes: Medium Heavy Fighter Carrier of NCV

FEDS: Note that the MSSB data lists that these all these ships can carry heavy fighters on the carrier tables.

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Slot L-15: Lyran PFs, CHANGE to read: 2PF front factor 4; 1PF back factor 2

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, June 11, 2024 - 08:03 am: Edit

DONE,

SIERRA - GORN PRE-GW (Y120-Y169) ERA UNIT SUGGESTIONS

Since the last posted SIERRA (6 JUN 24), there APPEARS to be 20 white counters available. This assumes that in addition to the clearly open 13 spaces, that 7 questionable spaces at the following locations are open:

(2) A-17 & B-17 (Non-Deployed MB to be deleted)
(2) E-20 & F-20 (misplaced black counters from Nebulous Operations)
(3) H-11/12/13 (Lower priority white PF counters) (those PFs are replaced by the new PFs at J-15/16 and K-15/16)
(-1) Less one added Gorn CLX counter added after the posted version

This leaves us with a maximum of (19) spaces available. Recommend allocation as follows:

(1) Gorn CC- ; Ref 18; factors 8-10/4-5; Product SO; CR9; Y124; Size CA(3); From; For CA: 10; salv 2.500; Notes: Early Command Variant

(2) Gorn CA; Ref 2; factors 8-10/4-5; Product SO; CR8; Y121; Size CA(3); From; Schedule: 10; salv 2.500; Notes: Early Heavy Cruiser

(4) Gorn CL- ; Ref 3; factors 6-8/3-4; Product SO; CR6; Y120; Size CL(3); From: NA; Schedule: 8; salv 2.000; Notes: Early Light Cruiser

(1) Gorn CLG; Ref 29; factors 5-8G/2-4G; Product SO; CR6; Y124; Size CL(3); From CL-: 2; For CL: 8; salv 2.000; Notes: Early Commando Ship

(5) Gorn DD- ; Ref 4; factors 4-5/2-3; Product SO; CR4; Y121; Size DD(4); From: NA; Schedule: 3; salv 2.000; Notes: Early Destroyer

(5) Gorn FF; Ref 33; factors 4/2; Product SO; CR3; Y125; Size FF(4); From: NA; Schedule: 2.5; salv 2.000; Notes: Frigate (Most FFs relegated to police or support ship roles before GW)
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(18) Total from above.

If an extra spot remains, then add one CA.
If less spots remain, then suggest deleting (as needed) in this priority order: DD- (-1); CL- (-1); FF (-1)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, June 13, 2024 - 04:05 pm: Edit

COMPLETE FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE FRONT OF SIERRA

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, June 13, 2024 - 07:13 pm: Edit

I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS EARLIER. IT IS DONE NOW.
I know its not typical to request a swap of locations for something on these sheets once they are shown, but I am going to request the Hydran 2PF counter swap locations with the Hydran PGH, please.

The reason is protection of the left edge on the Hydran PGH from any sort of die cutting drift as we have experienced in the past.

Swapping a ship with the PF marker provides that buffer and if a drift were to happen the impact would be less.

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I also want to say a big THANK YOU for providing the double sided PF Markers as 6PF/3PF and 2PF/1PF as those combinations allow me as a player to quickly "do the math" re-calculating the available PFs.

The math I refer to is:
When a player has these two double sided markers available they have all the combinations of possible reduction from 6PF down to 1PF...genius.

6PF alone = 6PF or 12 compot
3PF (the back of the 6) plus the 2PF = 5PF or 10 compot
3PF plus the 1PF (the back of the 2) = 4PF or 8 compot
3PF alone = 3PF or 6 compot
2PF alone = 2PF or 4 compot
1PF (the back of the 2) = 1PF or 2 compot

And better yet its also scalable upward from all the numbers too. (2x6PF = 12, 3x6PF = 18, etc) Allowing us to reduce from there hitting all the necessary between numbers using the above.

I appreciate helping me (us) avoid all the rooting around for the right # PF marker in the trays.

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, June 14, 2024 - 08:55 am: Edit

DONE
C-6 Federation NSRV Factors 6-8*(1) Survey Scout Symbol should be 6-8*(3)/3-4*(1^) Survey Scout Symbol Reason: The Federation 2020 SIT has a note stating the counter is incorrect and gives the correct factors as 6-8*(3) Survey Scout Symbol. Thomas Mathews 14 Jun 2024

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, June 15, 2024 - 03:41 am: Edit

I REPLACED THE BONUS CA WITH THIS.
Request the one CL- @ C-19 be converted to a SR- : Factors 2-8*/1-4 (color diamond). FEDS failed to notice it standing behind the pre-GW era bookcase.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, June 15, 2024 - 04:40 pm: Edit

Ran out of time, I only did the left half. DO NOT REPORT on the right half.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, June 16, 2024 - 05:15 am: Edit

SVC DID THEM LIKE THE OLD SHEET, BUT CHANGED THEM TO THIS. BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SHEET, DOING THIS TOOK OVER AN HOUR. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. TOO MUCH TIME FOR SOMETHING THAT JUST DID NOT MATTER.

Suggest that all APT backsides look like the backsides of DIP counters. APTs don't have a crippled side.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, June 16, 2024 - 05:18 am: Edit

E-12/J-12/N-14/15: FFT: Remove the crippled "U" factors from ALL FFT/DWT; crippled theater transports lose their "U" factors.

Remove crippled scout diamonds from ALL survey ships on this sheet.

F-11: MSR: CRIPPLED compot should be 2-4.

I-18: PIC: the CRIPPLED triangle factor should be white as there are no special 'survey fighters'.

K-20: ICH: CRIPPLED compot should be 2-6(4H7).

L-20: OH: Heavy Fighter factor should be (8H); CRIPPLED compot should be 5(4H1^); this is a Medium Heavy Fighter True Carrier of the OS.

K-19: SRV: CRIPPLED compot should be 1-3.

K-19: SR: CRIPPLED compot should be 1-3.

K-19: SRG: CRIPPLED compot should be 1-3(1).

K-18: PGR: CRIPPLED compot should be 1-4(^).

K-13: CRIPPLED designator is DNHP not DNH.

L-17: PGH: The CRIPPLED compot should be 2-4(4H).

N-18: NMC: CRIPPLED compot should be 4.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, June 17, 2024 - 05:18 pm: Edit

The back of the counters for the Romulan Pioneer Eagle (in slot J4) and KRE (in slot J5) each have scout diamonds shown; based on their respective entries on this SIT listing, these would not be present while each ship is crippled.

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On a side note: does anyone else find the Romulan portion of each countersheet preview image to be somewhat more difficult to read than the rest?

For whatever reason, it appears to me that the combination of a black font on a red background somehow results in a less clear view than for the other colour combinations being used.

Although I'm sure the "final" printed counters should be fine - or, at least, so I hope...

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, June 17, 2024 - 08:01 pm: Edit

Gary its the Cloaking device effect...keeps em a little fuzzy

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 18, 2024 - 03:07 pm: Edit

SCOUT DIAMONDS REMOVED FROM J4 AND J5.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, June 17, 2024 - 03:35 pm: Edit

UPDATED AND COMPLETED BACK OF SIERRA.



WARNING: TO SAVE TIME I DID THE FACTORS "BY PATTERN" AND DID NOT LOOK UP THE SIT. THIS TOOK FAR LESS TIME AND I'M PRETTY SICK TODAY (I NEED TO GO HOME AND GO TO BED BUT HERE I AM). THIS SHOULD GET 95% OF THEM RIGHT AND LEAVE THE STAFF TO CHECK THE SIT AND MAKE ABOUT A DOZEN CORRECTIONS.