| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, December 09, 2025 - 08:01 pm: Edit |
That thing I posted was only partial, it is missing dozens of ships.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, December 09, 2025 - 10:09 pm: Edit |
Reminder to have Jean look at the capitalization of "...the cluster..." where it appears. As of now there are 17 instances of it, including some of the new pages we were sent today. L Bergen 9 DEC 2025.
(209.3) last line in paragraph has italics on the word "built"; remove italics, change 'built' to "constructed" and then if an emphasis is needed it should be on the word "inside" as the rules to do not allow an FRD to be brought through the barrier. Note: not sure this is really a big deal to need the emphasis as the WYN can and do produce PRDs on their multiple planets. L. Bergen 9 DEC 2025.
(331.63) RESCUE: Replace first text line with: "Transports in the support echelon assigned Mission W (Rescue) may rescue eligible RCUs." Tightens wording, eliminates one of the three instances of the word "rescue". L Bergen 09 DEC 2025.
(635.223) Damage Resolution:; Replace last line with: "See (635.543) for modified ship capture." L. Bergen 9 DEC 2025.
(636.13) AREA OF CONFLICT: Replace first line with; "Use the expanded Lyran map in Civil Wars." L. Bergen 9 DEC 2025.
(637.553) Capturing Units: Combine these two sentences "Captured ships produce no other special effects under (305.2). Captured ships can be used immediately and repaired normally." as in similar rule (636.544) as follows: "Captured ships produce no other special effects under (305.2) and can be used immediately and repaired normally." Reason: More concise, matches already cleaned up rule in other scenario. L. Bergen 9 DEC 2025.
(638.132) Need to verify the stricken line that says: "No Orion mercenary units may enter the Barony during this scenario."; L Bergen. 9 DEC 2025.
(701.115) GENERAL UNITS 1st paragraph "...available on line:" should be "...available online:" with no space. L Bergen 9 DEC 2025
(701.115) GENERAL UNITS FHL:; replace "See the special rule (@@@)." with, "See Hospital Ships (451.0)." L. Bergen 9 DEC 2025.
(701.115) GENERAL UNITS FFP: replace "I really have no idea what this is. @@@" with: "The Fed FFP (R2.48) is the personnel transport version of the FFT (VIP transport)." NOTE: The reason it was added on Zulu was because the counter added this summer was missing a silhouette. Rule description added by FEDS on 13 NOV 2025 is repeated below and might need to appear in this product explaining what this ship is. L. Bergen 9 DEC 2025.
FEDS: The FFP is variant of the FFT (R2.47) equipped with accommodations for passengers rather than cargo holds. They were sometimes pressed into service as “troop transport frigates” to reinforce garrisons on threatened planets or support small-scale raids on enemy held planets. The [G] factor is used as a replacement "G" factor for other troops ships and ground combat locations only, the FFP cannot act as a troop ship.
The FFP can carry one pod, which can be double-weight; carried pods are inactive. Since the FFP has no cargo capability, it cannot support (509.1) theater transport missions D, E, T, U, V, X, or Z.
(705.C131) Unit Production - Heavy War Destroyers: "Counts about both..." should be "Counts against both..." Typo. L. Bergen 9 DEC 2025.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, December 10, 2025 - 07:21 am: Edit |
(634.12) Vanonia SB: Y186 the OOB shows this is a BTX. Note also says prior to 182 this was an Orion BTS (with weaker factors due mainly to Orion Phaser restrictions) L Bergen 10 DEC 2025
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, December 10, 2025 - 07:49 am: Edit |
(636.41), (636.42), (636.43) formatting is blue letters and green highlight bar. It is eye catching and I like this as a unique call out to the separate forces in these three rules. Recommend if there is a grayscale print edition it remain unique maybe black letters over a gray bar. L Bergen 10 DEC 2025.
Note this could be done for all 4 scenarios as a civil war style thing (or not).
(635.41) & (635.42)
(637.41) & (637.42)
(638.41) & (638.42)
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, December 10, 2025 - 09:29 am: Edit |
I picked the colors to print grayscale nicely. I had to invent that format because the scenarios were so complicated.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, December 10, 2025 - 10:23 am: Edit |
That one is for sure. Thanks
331 Page Block (at the bottom) might be better as a description as “331 Robot Combat”. L Bergen 10 DEC 2025
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, December 10, 2025 - 04:04 pm: Edit |
ALL REPORTS DONE TO THIS POINT. LAR'S "WAR ON SPECIAL" WAS NOT DONE AND HE SHOULD NOT CONTINUE THAT.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, December 10, 2025 - 09:40 pm: Edit |
And here i thought ‘was’ being good only eliminating 3-4 of the 18. Haha okay Steve. A special bridge too far. Got it
Unless anyone of the staff chimes in about (638.132), hired Orion mercenaries will be allowed in the Barony as if they are part of the faction that hired them. Meaning the stricken langauge goes away. L Bergen 10 Dec 2025
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 12:17 am: Edit |
I did global cap Cluster.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 08:54 am: Edit |
(209.142) Other Ships: 2nd to last line, “barrier-damaged” should be “barrier-disabled” as this is the correct term. L Bergen 11 DEC 2025.
(332.2) COMBAT SETUP PROCEDURES title block should be “(332.2) BARRIER RECOVERY COMBAT PROCEDURE” Rationale: References the topic of the entire section. L Bergen 11 DEC 2025.
(332.232) Accepted Offer: Rule reference of (634.111) should instead point to (634.110). Rationale: Rule reference correction. (634.111) is the approach battle step not barrier disabled step. L Bergen 11 DEC 2025.
(332.3) BARRIER RECOVERY COMBAT ROUND title block should be “(332.3) BARRIER RECOVERY COMBAT RESTRICTIONS” Rationale: References the topic of the entire section. L Bergen 11 DEC 2025.
(634.110) BATTLE ROUND #0: Rule reference range of (332.3-332.4) should instead point to (332.2) which is the beginning of the procedure step. Rationale: Rule reference correction. L Bergen 11 DEC 2025.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 05:21 pm: Edit |
(332.3-332.4) IS CORRECT AS IS, ALL ELSE FIXED.
| By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 07:12 pm: Edit |
REVIEW THE SERVICE DATES
Extracts from SFB Master Ship Chart
KG2 - 136 UNLIKELY, 137 BETTER
ZFF - 136 UNLIKELY, 137 BETTER
FTL – Not listed Used Y137 as earliest available
FHL – Not listed Used Y137 as earliest available
FTS – Not listed Used Y137 as earliest available
APT - Not listed Used Y137 as earliest available
PTR - Not listed Used Y137 as earliest available ABOVE OK
CONVOY - Y137 convoys are just a collection of frieghters. Also necessary in F&E for the construction of bases and movement of EPs. HOW SOON WOULD THEY GET THAT MANY SPARES? Y140 BEWTTER
(the Orions would not sell those to the next year at best)
MON (delivered Y165)
BS - Not listed Used Y137 as earliest available ON MY OB LIST
BTS- Not listed Used Y137 as earliest available NEED TWO DATES, ACTUAL AND EARLIEST PLAYER CAMPAIGN
SB- Not listed Used Y140 as earliest available this is campaign only and is when all other empires get the SB Can change to later maybe Y150 IBID
FTM – Not listed Used Y137 can be used for shuttles as with other empires prior to fighter introduction. WITH BASES
Once I receive what font size to use, and approval of above. I can turn the SIT back to you in an hour or so. (Remember I work 0900-1800 M-F.)
| By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 07:36 pm: Edit |
ADDED
(712.4) Y146 Minor Kzinti incursion confirmed.
Y181 ADD Lyran Invasion (Operation Lionheart)
Y182 ADD Klingon Invastion (Operation Riposte)
Recommend adding CA, DW in even years and CW, FF in odd years starting in Y190. Maybe x versios of them.
ADDED
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 07:47 pm: Edit |
FIXES MADE
Sorry I am not seeing the fix for the title block in (332.2).
The (332.3) section lists three types of restrictions rather that instructions the suggested would be searchable with the suggested restrictions heading above and a solid entry for the master index later
For the rule range thing, two days ago I assumed incorrectly (332.3) was the beginning (of battle round 0: disabled combat) but it actually (332.23) where players start putting ships on the board and in my suggestion rounded up to (332.2) to get the start explanation. I suggested dropping the ranged approach mainly because the (332.5) Damage step is where players have to go in the sequence before you can finish and move on (to battle round 1: the approach).
CORRECTED
| By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 07:53 pm: Edit |
DONE TO THIS POINT
(712.4) Y118 the CL should be YCL
Y120 the CS should be YCS
I would add a Prime Team in Y120, they can do a number of missions not covered in F&E and the Add a recreated Y186 for Post Usurpr War.
Ryan
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 08:01 pm: Edit |
I conflated the reports on 332.3 and 333.3, shucks.
| By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Thursday, December 11, 2025 - 08:05 pm: Edit |
REFERENCE DELETED
(712.131) Recommend removing the rules on Convoys and MilCons using AuxPods and using the standard Convoy and MILCON construction rules.
SVC CONCURS
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, December 12, 2025 - 04:04 pm: Edit |
CONFIRMED, REPORT OBSOLETE, JASON PLEASE RE=REPORT BASED ON CURRENT DOCUMENT BELOW OR IN YOUR EMAIL.
I am almost certain that this report is out of date, made obsolete by the file I sent Thursday.
Various line-item notes for this document Jason E. Schaff December 11, 2025
Y120 - Y122 Add 1 early years small aux cruiser each year. 3 more are added between Y123 and 129, inclusive; exact dates unknown.
Y129-Y130 Add 1 early years large aux cruiser each year (Above per YR12.3 and YR12.4 for reference when and if this time period is ever developed in F&E)
Y136 - “LG2” should be “KG2” (typo)
Y136 - Remove ZFF. Per CL37, the first ZFF was received (captured) in Y144
Y146 - Change 2xLYF to 3xLYF. Per R12.48. 3 were purchased. Alternatively, add 1xLYF in a later year.
Y150 - add KG2. CL37 states that a G2 was received this year.
Y150 - add 2xKF4. Per R12.47
Y160 - Replace listed OCR with OFR. Per R12.A2.
Y169 - Add ODR. Year-in-service date from module G3. Unique unit.
Y173 - Add LAV. Per R12.10. Unique unit.
Y174 - Add OBR. R12.A3 gives this as the acquisition date for the ship that was eventually converted to the OFB
Y175 - Add GFF. Per R12.A8
Y176 - Add RFF. Per R12.A9
Y180 - Add DDP. Module R12 MSC year-in-service. R12.54 suggests that this was the prototype for the DD class.
Y181 - Add OBR and convert OBR to OBF. By synthesis of information from R12.A3 and CL37
Y181 - Add ASC. Module G3 year-in-service date. Unique unit per R12.13.
Y182 - Remove ZDW. The G3 year-in-service date is Y183. This ship is presumably in the same situation as the ZDF; captured in Y182 but not repaired and put back in service until Y183.
Y182 - Add DDG. Module G3 year-in-service date.
Y182 - Convert FF to FFX. Per R12.207.
Y183 - Add LTT. Per R12.A10
Y183 - Add ZDW. Module G3 year-in-service date.
Y184 - Add DDG. Module G3 year-in-service date.
Y184 - Add FCR. Module G3 year-in-service date. Unique unit.
Y186 - Replace CA with CAX. Module G3 year-in-service date and the CAX appears in SH118.
Y187 - Add 2xSDD and 3xSFF. Per R12.A6 and R12.A7
Y187 - Add HDW. Module G3 year-in-service date and appears in SH200.
Y190 - Add ZFKX, LDWX, and KFX. All per R12.200 - Notation only, as there aren’t counters for these ships at present.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, December 12, 2025 - 04:06 pm: Edit |
(712.4) WYN OB SUMMARY BY YEAR
Y116: Start with ADM and two ZYF “early frigates” using standard Kzinti FF as a stand in.
Y118: Some kind of mining ship built from the original CL.
Y120: Add an MB, standing in for a base built from the wrecked CS.
Y136: Orion CR arrives, is captured, then after a deal is made, is allowed to leave. Orions begin helping WYNs.
Y137: Add APT, KG2; convert ZYF to ZFF. Orion Protection Squadron: 2xCR, 4xLR; it is there in the Orions’ own self-interest and is treated as an allied force.
Y138: Add APT; convert ZYF to ZFF, convert MB to BS.
Y139: Add LDD, APT, Resv.
Y140: Add KG2, SUC, SUS.
Y141: Add 2xSUC.
Y142: Add KG2, 2xSUC.
Y143: Add SUC, SUS.
Y144: Add 2xSUC, the first ZFF. (Four others later: 146, 158, 169, 177.)
Y145: Add 2xSUC, PTR.
Y146: Add 2xSUC, ZFF, 2xLYF, PTR. @@@ I think there was a minor kzinti incursion here.
Y147: Add SUS, PTR.
Y148: Add SUG.
Y149: Add SUG.
Y154: Add KE4.
Y158: Add ZFF.
Y159: Add REPR
Y160: Add OCRC, OCR, and 3xOLR.
Y161: Add OCR, one OLR.
Y162: Add OLR.
Y163: Add OLRS.
Y164: Add OLR.
Y165: Add three Monitors recevied as gifts. Add OLR, FPL.
Y166: Add ENG. Add OLRS.
Y167: Add LAV, OLR.
Y168: Add OLRS.
Y169: Add OBR, ODR, OLR, ZFF.
Y170: Add OLR, JACV, SUV, OCR, JCL. Convert one LDD into the PBB.
Y171: Add OLR, SUV.
Y172: Add OLR, JACV, SUV. Orion Protection Squadron replaced by 2xBR, 3xDW, 1xDWV, 1xDWE, 1xDWS.
Y173: Add LUC.
Y174: Add LUC. (Conversion of the Nancy begins.)
Y175: Add 2xFF, LUC, OCR. The last LYF is destroyed.
Y176: Add 2xFF, GFF.
Y177: Add 2xFF, ZFF.
Y178: Add 2xFF.
Y179: Add 2xFF, RSH.
Y180: Add 2xFF, JASC, LAP, OCR; convert LDD into PBB.
Y181: Add DW, DWD, FF, FFG, OBRC, JASC, SAP.
Y182: Add CW, CWP, DW, DWP, FF, FFG, ZDW, OCRX, OLRX, SAP. Major Kzinti incursion.
Y183: Add CW, CWV, LTT, DWE, FCR, HUB, SUX, ZDW, ZDF, OCRX, OLRX, SAP, KPT, DP, KRP. (There is a known list of 23 auxiliaries in service on this date, but it is also known that the list is neither complete nor accurate.) Convert one ZFF into ZFX.
Y184: Add CA, CW, CWE, DWS, DWE, FFE, OLRX, SUX, ASC. Convert one ZFF into ZFX.
Y185: Add CF, CWL, CWM, DW, DWX, FF, OLRX. Convert one ZFF into ZFX.
Y186: Add CAX, CA, DW, DWX, HCW, FF, PBC. The Usurper departs, taking a substantial number of ships with him. (Remove: CA, CWL, 3xCW, DWL, 4xDW, 14xFF, CAX, 2xDWX, [CWV+2xDWE], 2xFFE, FCR, MEGA, CWM, CWP, LTT, DWD, DWS, 2xPTR, 2xAPT, 2xFFG, PRIME, MMG, OBR, OCR, ODR, 7xOLR, 3xOLRS, OCRX, 4xOLRX, PRIME.)
Y187: Add CA, FF, 2xIDD. ISC incursion fails.
Y188: Add CA, CW, DW, FF.
Y189: Add DN. Orion protection squadron upgraded to: 1xBR, 1xBRX, 3xDWX, 1xDWV, 1xDWE, 1xDWS.
Y190:
Y191:
Y192:
Y193:
Y194:
Y195:
Y196: PBB retired.
Note: It can be assumed that minor losses during various incursions were replaced quickly after the event to keep the Order of Battle stable. In a player-directed campaign, use the production rules in (712.?) and the various rules such as selling ships to the WYNs to develop their defensive forces.
Y146: ADM, 5xZFF, 2xLYF, 3xKG2, LDD, 3xAPT, 3xPTR, 12xSUC, 2xSUS, RESV. Orion Protection Squadron: 2xCR, 4xLR.
Y168: ADM, 6xZFF, 2xLYF, OCRC, 2xOCR, 8xOLR, 3xOLRS, FPL, KE4, 3xKG2, LDD, 12xSUC, 3xAPT, 3xPTR, 1xLAV, 3xSUS, 2xSUG, 3xMON, RESV, REPR, ENGR. Orion Protection Squadron: 2xCR, 4xLR.
Y180: ADM, PBB, 12xFF, 4xZFF, 2xLYF, OCRC, 2xOCR, OBR, ODR, 3xOCR, 12xOLR, 3xOLRS, FPL, GFF, KE4, 3xKG2, JCL, RSH, 3xAPT, 3xPTR, JASC, 2xJACV, 1xLAV, LAP, 3xLUC, 12xSUC, 3xSUV, 3xSUS, 2xSUG, 3xMON, RESV, REPR, ENGR. Orion Protection Squadron: 2xBR, 3xDW, 1xDWV, 1xDWE, 1xDWS.
Y186 (Pre Usurper War): ADM, PBB, CAX, 2xCA, CF, HCW, CWL, 3xCW, CWV, CWE, CWM, CWP, LTT, DWL, 4xDW, DWD, 2xDWE, DWP, DWS, 2xDWX, 16xFF, 2xFFG, 2xFFE, FCR, PBC, 2xZDW, ZDF, 1xZFF, 3xZFX 2xLYF, OCRC, 2xOCR, OBR, OBRC, ODR, 3xOCR, 2xOCRX, 12xOLR, 3xOLRS, 4xOLRX, FPL, GFF, KE4, 3xKG2, JCL, RSH, 3xAPT, 3xPTR, 1xHUB, 1xASC, 2xJASC, 2xJACV, 1xLAV, LAP, 3xLUC, 12xSUC, 3xSUV, 3xSUS, 2xSUG, 2xSUX, 3xSAP, 3xMON, KPT, DP, KRP, MEGA, MMG, Prime, RESV, REPR, ENGR. Orion Protection Squadron: 2xBR, 3xDW, 1xDWV, 1xDWE, 1xDWS.
Y186 (Post Usurper War): ADM, PBB, CA, CF, HCW, CWE, DWP, 2xFF, PBC, 2xZDW, ZDF, 1xZFF, 3xZFX 2xLYF, OCRC, 2xOCR, OBRC, 2xOCR, OCRX, 5xOLR, FPL, GFF, KE4, 3xKG2, JCL, RSH, APT, PTR, 1xHUB, 1xASC, 2xJASC, 2xJACV, 1xLAV, LAP, 3xLUC, 12xSUC, 3xSUV, 3xSUS, 2xSUG, 2xSUX, 3xSAP, 3xMON, KPT, DP, KRP, RESV, REPR, ENGR. Orion Protection Squadron: 2xBR, 3xDW, 1xDWV, 1xDWE, 1xDWS.
@@@ NOTE TO STAFF: I did a lot of work here. DO NOT send me a replacement document. You can argue individual ship production schedules if you are so inclined but I would ask if it’s a judgement call you should trust my judgement not replace it with your own. We might want to actually add up an “inventory” on certain key dates and include that here.
END (712.0) WYN OB
| By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, December 12, 2025 - 10:19 pm: Edit |
(549.1212) Since this hasn't been defined in the current OOBs what are the Wartime AuxPod slots by empire?
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, December 13, 2025 - 01:50 am: Edit |
They were in your email Thursday afternoon.
| By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Saturday, December 13, 2025 - 10:00 am: Edit |
I have to say, I'm thoroughly impressed with the full-court press you have going on here!
| By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Saturday, December 13, 2025 - 01:53 pm: Edit |
I checked all my emails from you and can't find the AuxPod answer.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, December 13, 2025 - 04:39 pm: Edit |
Its in the ob update page of the 72 page document. There is one page (700) which has updates for every empire, they're mixed into that list. There is an aux pod line for every empire except Andros. Maybe one other.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, December 13, 2025 - 05:36 pm: Edit |
Ryan check section 700 (it is page 59)
Thanks Jessica. Trying to make this the best it can be without letting ‘perfect’ get in the way of ‘published’. Some of these things stretch the boundaries of the game and are a real challenge.
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