| By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 01:17 am: Edit |
Possible Klingo-Romulan Ships.
Ships Cmd Date Size Conversion
K11 10 Y176 2 B11:5, B10:10, K10:6
K10- 10 Y172 2 B10-:5
K10V 10 Y176 2 B10V:5, B10*:8+16, K10:4+16
K10S 10 Y180 2 B10S:5, B10V*:9, B10*:9+4, K10V:5, K10:5+4
KB8 10 Y176 2 B8:5
KC10 10 Y180 2 C10:5, C8*:6, KC9:2
K9V 10 Y175 2 C8V:5, C8*:8+24, KC9:4+24
K9S 10 Y180 2 C8S:5, C8V*:9, C8*:9+12, K9V:5, KC9:5+12
KC5 9 Y168 2 C5:5
KCR 10 Y178 3 C7:3
KCV 10 Y182 3 C7V:3, C7*:4+12, KCR:2+12
KCS 10 Y184 3 C7S:3, C7V*:4, C7*:7+3, KCV:2, KCR:5+6
K7E 8 Y159 3 D7E:3, D7*:7, K7R:5
K7F 8 Y163 3 FD7:3, D7*:5, K7R:3
K7U 8 Y177 3 D7U:3, D7V*:5+16, D7*:7+28, K7V:3+16, K7R:5+28
K7V 8 Y172 3 D7V:3, D7*:4+12, K7R:2+12
KUR 9 Y180 3 UD7:3, D7V*:5, D7*:7+12, K7V:3, K7R:5+12
KER 8 Y159 3 D6E:3, D6S*:5, D6*:7, KSR:3, KR:5
KRE 8 Y177 3 AD6:3, D6*:3, KR:1
KRG 8 Y159 3 D6G:3, D6*:5, KR:3
KRU 8 Y174 3 D6U:3, D6V*:4+14, D6*:5+24, KVR:2+14, KR:3+24
KRY 8 Y159 3 D6Y:3, D6*:4+5, KR:2+5
KDW 8 Y176 3 D5W:3, D5*:5, KDR:3
KDWE 8 Y177 3 D5WE:3, D5W*:3, D5E*:5, KDW:1, KDE:3, KDR:3
KDWG 8 Y177 3 D5WG:3, D5W*:4, D5G*:5, KDW:2, KDG:3, KDR:4
KDWP 8 Y180 3 D5WP:3, D5W*:7, D5P*:5, KDW:5, KDP:3, KDR:7
KDWS 8 Y177 3 D5WS:3, D5W*:4, D5S*:5, KDW:2, KDS:3, KDR:5
KDWH 8 Y177 3 D5WH:3, D5W*:5, D5H*:5, KDW:3, KDH:3, KDR:5
KDWU 8 Y180 3 D5WU:3, D5W*:7+12, D5V*:7, KDW:5+12, KDV:5, KDR*:7+12
KDWV 8 Y176 3 D5WV:3, D5W*:4+12, D5V*:5, KDW:2+12, KDV:3, KDR*:4+12
KDWVH 8 Y179 3 DWVH:3, DWV*:3+4, D5W*:4+16, D5VH*:5, KDW:2+16, KDWV:0+4, KDVH:3, KDV*:3+4
KDR 6 Y167 3 D5:3
KDB 6 Y177 3 D5B:3, D5*:7+16, D5S*:4+16, D5V*:5+4, KDR:5+16, KDS:2+16, KDV:3+4
KDE 6 Y171 3 AD5:3, D5*:3, KDR:1
KDG 6 Y170 3 D5G:3, D5*:4, KDR:2
KDH 6 Y170 3 D5H:3, D5*:5, KDR:3
KDM 6 Y171 3 MD5:3, D5*:6, KDR:4
KDP 6 Y180 3 D5P:3, D5*:7, KDR:5
KDS 6 Y169 3 D5S:3, D5*:5, KDR:3
KDU 6 Y174 3 D5U:3, D5V*:4+6, D5*:5+18, KDR:3+18, KDV:2+6
KDV 6 Y171 3 D5V:3, D5*:4+12, KDR:2+12
KDVH 6 Y179 3 D5VH:3, D5V*:0+4, D5*:4+16, KDR:2+16, KDV:0+4
KDX 8 Y183 3 D5X:3
KHR 5 Y180 4 HDW:2, F5W*:3+1, KWR:2+1, K5/K5L*:3+1
KHE 5 Y180 4 See (525.2) in AO
KHV 5 Y180 4 See (525.2) in AO
K6R ? Y??? 4 F6:2 etc...
KWR 5 Y176 4 F5W:2, F5/F5L*:3, K5/K5L:2
KWE 5 Y178 4 FWE:2, FW*:2, KWR:1, K5/K5L*:2
KWG 5 Y177 4 FWG:2, FW*:2, F5G*:3, KWR:2, K5G:2, K5*:3
KWV 5 Y177 4 FWV:2, FW*:2+8, FV*:3+0, KWR:1+8, K5/K5L*:2+8, K5V:2+0
KWS 5 Y177 4 FWS:2, FW*:2, F5S*:3, KWR:2, K5S:2
K5G 4 Y159 4 F5G:2, F5/F5L*:2, K5/K5L:1
K5R 4 Y173 4 F5R:2, F5/F5L*:2+6, K5/K5L:1+6
K5V 4 Y167 4 F5V:2, F5/F5L*:2+8, K5/K5L:1+8
K4R 3 Y169 4 E4R:1, E4*:1+6, K4:1+6
K4S 3 Y159 4 E4S:1, E4*:1, K4:1
K4T 3 Y159 4 E4T:1, E4*:1, K4:1
K4V 3 Y170 4 E4V:1, E4*:1+6, K4:1+6
Is this format acceptable?
"*" denotes double conversions as I can't figure out how to get that neat "double cross" symbol that's used in
the SIT. The first ship shown in the "conversion" column is the base ship that is being modified by the
Romulans. I used the assumption that the Romulans would have access to any ship one year after the date of
the first Klingon counterpart or Y159 if the ship shows up earlier than their treaty.
I haven't put in any factors for the ships as SVC has usually seemed to want to do that himself. I can add
build costs, salvage and notes at a later date if we get to that point.
I would appreciate any comments or suggestions or additions.
Ahmad Abdel-Hameed 24 Sept 2004
[For some reason, the formatter on the bbs is consuming the spacing for my neat columns.]
| By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 04:16 am: Edit |
I've added an additional field with the SFB Rule # (if applicable):
| Ships | Cmd | Date | Size | Conversion | SFB Rule Number |
| K11 | 10 | Y176 | 2 | B11:5, B10:10, K10:6 | @ |
| K10- | 10 | Y172 | 2 | B10-:5 | 4.083 |
| K10V | 10 | Y176 | 2 | B10V:5, B10‡:8+16, K10:4+16 | 4.098 |
| K10S | 10 | Y180 | 2 | B10S:5, B10V‡:9, B10‡:9+4, K10V:5, K10:5+4 | 4.099 |
| KB8 | 10 | Y176 | 2 | B8:5 | @ |
| KC10 | 10 | Y180 | 2 | C10:5, C8‡:6, KC9:2 | @ |
| K9V | 10 | Y175 | 2 | C8V:5, C8‡:8+24, KC9:4+24 | @ |
| K9S | 10 | Y180 | 2 | C8S:5, C8V‡:9, C8‡:9+12, K9V:5, KC9:5+12 | @ |
| KC5 | 9 | Y168 | 2 | C5:5 | @ |
| KCR | 10 | Y178 | 3 | C7:3 | 4.084 |
| KCV | 10 | Y182 | 3 | C7V:3, C7‡:4+12, KCR:2+12 | @ |
| KCS | 10 | Y184 | 3 | C7S:3, C7V‡:4, C7‡:7+3, KCV:2, KCR:5+6 | @ |
| K7E | 8 | Y159 | 3 | D7E:3, D7‡:7, K7R:5 | @ |
| K7F | 8 | Y163 | 3 | FD7:3, D7‡:5, K7R:3 | @ |
| K7U | 8 | Y177 | 3 | D7U:3, D7V‡:5+16, D7‡:7+28, K7V:3+16, K7R:5+28 | @ |
| K7V | 8 | Y172 | 3 | D7V:3, D7‡:4+12, K7R:2+12 | 4.065 |
| KUR | 9 | Y180 | 3 | UD7:3, D7V‡:5, D7‡:7+12, K7V:3, K7R:5+12 | @ |
| KER | 8 | Y159 | 3 | D6E:3, D6S‡:5, D6‡:7, KSR:3, KR:5 | @ |
| KRE | 8 | Y177 | 3 | AD6:3, D6‡:3, KR:1 | 4.06 |
| KRG | 8 | Y159 | 3 | D6G:3, D6‡:5, KR:3 | 4.057 |
| KRU | 8 | Y174 | 3 | D6U:3, D6V‡:4+14, D6‡:5+24, KVR:2+14, KR:3+24 | @ |
| KRY | 8 | Y159 | 3 | D6Y:3, D6‡:4+5, KR:2+5 | @ |
| KDW | 8 | Y176 | 3 | D5W:3, D5‡:5, KDR:3 | 4.114 |
| KDWE | 8 | Y177 | 3 | D5WE:3, D5W‡:3, D5E‡:5, KDW:1, KDE:3, KDR:3 | @ |
| KDWG | 8 | Y177 | 3 | D5WG:3, D5W‡:4, D5G‡:5, KDW:2, KDG:3, KDR:4 | @ |
| KDWP | 8 | Y180 | 3 | D5WP:3, D5W‡:7, D5P‡:5, KDW:5, KDP:3, KDR:7 | @ |
| KDWS | 8 | Y177 | 3 | D5WS:3, D5W‡:4, D5S‡:5, KDW:2, KDS:3, KDR:5 | 4.115 |
| KDWH | 8 | Y177 | 3 | D5WH:3, D5W‡:5, D5H‡:5, KDW:3, KDH:3, KDR:5 | @ |
| KDWU | 8 | Y180 | 3 | D5WU:3, D5W‡:7+12, D5V‡:7, KDW:5+12, KDV:5, KDR‡:7+12 | @ |
| KDWV | 8 | Y176 | 3 | D5WV:3, D5W‡:4+12, D5V‡:5, KDW:2+12, KDV:3, KDR‡:4+12 | 4.116 |
| KDWVH | 8 | Y179 | 3 | DWVH:3, DWV‡:3+4, D5W‡:4+16, D5VH‡:5, KDW:2+16, KDWV:0+4, KDVH:3, KDV‡:3+4 | @ |
| KDR | 6 | Y167 | 3 | D5:3 | 4.061 |
| KDB | 6 | Y177 | 3 | D5B:3, D5‡:7+16, D5S‡:4+16, D5V‡:5+4, KDR:5+16, KDS:2+16, KDV:3+4 | @ |
| KDE | 6 | Y171 | 3 | AD5:3, D5‡:3, KDR:1 | 4.104 (KDA) |
| KDG | 6 | Y170 | 3 | D5G:3, D5‡:4, KDR:2 | @ |
| KDH | 6 | Y170 | 3 | D5H:3, D5‡:5, KDR:3 | @ |
| KDM | 6 | Y171 | 3 | MD5:3, D5‡:6, KDR:4 | @ |
| KDP | 6 | Y180 | 3 | D5P:3, D5‡:7, KDR:5 | @ |
| KDS | 6 | Y169 | 3 | D5S:3, D5‡:5, KDR:3 | @ |
| KDU | 6 | Y174 | 3 | D5U:3, D5V‡:4+6, D5‡:5+18, KDR:3+18, KDV:2+6 | @ |
| KDV | 6 | Y171 | 3 | D5V:3, D5‡:4+12, KDR:2+12 | 4.066 |
| KDVH | 6 | Y179 | 3 | D5VH:3, D5V‡:0+4, D5‡:4+16, KDR:2+16, KDV:0+4 | @ |
| KDX | 8 | Y183 | 3 | D5X:3 | @ |
| KHR | 5 | Y180 | 4 | HDW:2, F5W‡:3+1, KWR:2+1, K5/K5L‡:3+1 | @ |
| KHE | 5 | Y180 | 4 | See | @ |
| KHV | 5 | Y180 | 4 | See | @ |
| K6R | ? | Y??? | 4 | F6:2 | @ |
| KWR | 5 | Y176 | 4 | F5W:2, F5/F5L‡:3, K5/K5L:2 | @ |
| KWE | 5 | Y178 | 4 | FWE:2, FW‡:2, KWR:1, K5/K5L‡:2 | @ |
| KWG | 5 | Y177 | 4 | FWG:2, FW‡:2, F5G‡:3, KWR:2, K5G:2, K5‡:3 | @ |
| KWV | 5 | Y177 | 4 | FWV:2, FW‡:2+8, FV‡:3+0, KWR:1+8, K5/K5L‡:2+8, K5V:2+0 | @ |
| KWS | 5 | Y177 | 4 | FWS:2, FW‡:2, F5S‡:3, KWR:2, K5S:2 | @ |
| K5G | 4 | Y159 | 4 | F5G:2, F5/F5L‡:2, K5/K5L:1 | @ |
| K5R | 4 | Y173 | 4 | F5R:2, F5/F5L‡:2+6, K5/K5L:1+6 | @ |
| K5V | 4 | Y167 | 4 | F5V:2, F5/F5L‡:2+8, K5/K5L:1+8 | @ |
| K4R | 3 | Y169 | 4 | E4R:1, E4‡:1+6, K4:1+6 | @ |
| K4S | 3 | Y159 | 4 | E4S:1, E4‡:1, K4:1 | @ |
| K4T | 3 | Y159 | 4 | E4T:1, E4‡:1, K4:1 | @ |
| K4V | 3 | Y170 | 4 | E4V:1, E4‡:1+6, K4:1+6 | @ |
| By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 04:33 pm: Edit |
Zathras, thank you immensely. 
There are 59 ships there. Some more will undoubtedly be added as we start integrating other Klingon ships into F&E like the E5 and whatever comes out of the new products. That's probably far too many to put in any one product. But it shouldn't be too hard to place 5 or 10 of them a product and always have something handy to add to any product for the Romulans that doesn't give them gross advantages.
| By Thanasis Kinias (Tkinias) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 04:44 pm: Edit |
I think the format SVC's looking for is more like this:
(R4.84) ROMULAN KCR.
(R4.1xx) ROMULAN FK7. FD7 Kestrel. Not in SFB yet.
BTW, F6 Kestrel is already in SFB as (R4.62) KFR.
| By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 04:56 pm: Edit |
Glad to help where I can.
Additional ships not listed for completeness sake (most from R9):
D7W, DWL, D5L, FWL, WD5, C5M, B10T, MB10, MC8, DWB, C5X
I have rule numbers for these, but I'm at work so...42
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