No problem, Steve. I was beginning to worry about the posts anyway since I've found more to add to the "questions"/"proposals". Please feel free to edit the word "errata" out of the posts if you are so inclined so as to avoid any potential confusion!

I think it is very important to get this information available to those playing the game and hopefully into an officially sanctioned errata post.

I'm also sure that all that I've found is pertinent and not nitpicking. From my background, I know errors and omissions creep in to any product. The only "glee" I get from finding this stuff is making folks aware so that the next printing will be even greater!

What would you suggest?

BTW thanks for offering up Prime Directive again. As victims of the FASA, LUG and Decipher ST:RPG debacles, my friends and I are happy to have found a new home. I appreciate the great material available for Trek gamers.

Lee

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:55 am: Edit

I should remind you, Lee, that just about everything in d20 might as well be in Lower Urdu if you think I'm reading it. I don't understand any of that stuff. I sort of understood D&D long ago and AD&D more or less (and a long time ago) and sort of understand GURPS, but d20 might as well be, as I said, Lower Urdu. All I can do is pass the comments on to Jonathan Thompson, who says he is generating a PD20 Errata Sheet while writing PD20M starting two days ago.

By Lee Wood (Fasafan) on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 01:57 pm: Edit

No need for the reminder, Steve. I've read all the posts in this thread and am aware of your comments and opinions on RPG mechanics. Even though you may profess not understand the mechanics side, the material you personally put forth for the books (especially the Klingons) is excellent.

I thought this would be a good place to discuss errors, omissions, and unclear portions of D20 Prime Directive material. If there is another thread or group more suited to discuss these things and D20 Prime Directive in general, please let me know. Earlier posts about questions and such regarding D20 material were answered by folks who seemed "in the know" or "in the loop" (Andy Palmer, for instance) or who had an interest in the game in general.

It appears my posts have not generated any such interest or response. I'm prepared to offer up almost double what has been posted in outright mistakes, not to mention unclear meanings, etc. That's free editing with no pretentiousness or "hidden agendas" attached. I would hope somebody would find this of use- and use it as a "template" of sorts to ensure such mistakes are less likely to happen again.

I'll see if I can contact Jonathan Thompson myself. I believe he is a member of my Yahoo! Group. If anyone is interested in discussing what I've found, please feel free to contact me privately.

Lee

By Andy Palmer (Andypalmer) on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 03:00 pm: Edit

Lee. I've noticed the posts, but have been busy with some deadlines at work this week so haven't had the chance to go through them in detail. I follow most of the comments, though the ones focused on the D20 Modern-esque material, I'll have to kick up to Jonathan anyway (I'm a pure 3.5 kinda guy). Hopefully I'll have a chance this weekend for a detailed review.

Andy

By Lee Wood (Fasafan) on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 03:06 pm: Edit

Thanks for the response, Andy. I just want to make sure everyone knows I'm here for the "right" reasons. I may seem eager or like an "upstart", but my first love is ST:RPGs and I'm excited I've found one as good as Prime Directive D20. I just want to help make it even better.

E-mail and posts are great, but the unfortunate thing about them is that sometimes you can't infer the emotion behind them, or that an inference is infered incorrectly. ;-) Rest assured, I'm full of eagerness and wish to add positively to the community.

Lee

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 03:18 pm: Edit

I talked to Jonathan. he's having trouble logging into the BBS (has had trouble for years) but Matt will help him on that tomorrow.

This is the PD20 topic, although I guess we need a PD20Modern topic. So put anyting wrong with PD20 here, and any ideas about PD20M in the new topic I'll create in a minute.

By Jonathan M. Thompson (Bpi_Jonathan) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 06:35 pm: Edit

I am now able to get back on this BBS. I dont really understand what the problem was originally, but it appears to have been fixed now. I cant check it everyday (so if you need something answered immediately email me), but I will check it once a week at the very least. What this BBS needs is an email notification function :-D

BTW, email works great as ways to suggest to me different ways to do things in PD20. I cant promise that all of them will be used, but everything will be taken under advisement. If you do this make sure you put [PD20 suggestion] in the subject header or I might miss it.

By Jonathan M. Thompson (Bpi_Jonathan) on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 03:57 pm: Edit

I have started to post some errata here, As I go I will combine it into one document to give to SVC for posting on the website.

1) Naval Line Officer (pg46) lists Leadership as an available skill.
However Leadership is not listed on skill chart on pg 78.

* All references to the Leadership skill should now be Knowledge (Military Science).

2) Starship Operation is listed as a 'or' Prerequisite under Basic Helmsmanship. However, Starship Operations is not listed as a Feat anywhere else.

* Not needed. Its under Basic and everything else has BASIC as a prerequisite.

3) Strategy & Tactics are listed as Skills for the Line Officer Class (pg46), but should be Knowledge(Strategy) and Knowledge (Tactics).

* This was going to be a skill, but the new skill is Knowledge (Military Science). It replaces both these skills.

Knowledge (Military Science): The character has military-style tactical, staff, or leadership training. This skill includes the ability to use tactics and strategy.

4) Criminology Skill is listed as a Skill for the Security Specialist Class (pg62), but should be Knowledge (Criminology).

* Skill rolled into Knowledge (Behavioral Sciences).

5) Recommend add Sense Motive to the Security Specialist skill lists.

* The following skills were left out of the Security Specialist class - Sense Motive (Wis)

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 10:04 pm: Edit

Anyone had any experience with the Babylon 5, 2nd edition d20 rulebook to possibly be used in place of the D&D Players Handbook??

By James E Goodrich (Jegoodrich) on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 09:34 am: Edit

As long as the $50 price tag doesn't scare you away, the B5 book is a great choice. Not only does it replace the PHB, it also has some classes that you can use in your game as well. Plus you can take some of the aliens and use them for minor races in your campaign. There's also a fairly good equipment list.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 01:38 pm: Edit

The B5 book, 2nd ed, is HUGE. It has tons of stuff.
It would be nice to use it as a reference for the basic rules instead of the PHB 3.5.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:32 pm: Edit

James:
The B5 book you are referring to, is that the latest 2nd edition of the game?? I know between the 1st and 2nd ed, there were HUGE changes.

By James E Goodrich (Jegoodrich) on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:11 pm: Edit

Yes, it is 2nd Edition. And although I prefer GURPS for most of my RPG campaigns, I think the B5 book along with the Prime Directive book would make a great start for any campaign.

Plus, you don't have to deal with bringing a D&D book to the table. Always a bonus.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:08 pm: Edit

I agree with that!! Bringing a fantasy oriented book to scifi game just doesn't carry the feel.

I wonder if ADB and MGP would be interested in doing a d20 book OGL to replace DND as rulebook for the PD20??

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:42 pm: Edit

I have no idea what any of that last sentence means, let alone what it would imply.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:03 pm: Edit

Sorry, let me clarify:
As it stands, the D&D Players Handbook v3.5 is the "rulebook" that PDd20 is based on (and you must own in order to play). Bringing a fantasy oriented rulebook to a scifi game setting sometimes tends to take away from the feel, especially if your trying to create a character with new players.
I had noticed, upon recently picking up the Babylon 5 2nd Ed RPG rulebook, that it indeed had the OGL d20 basic rules incorporated into it (thus no PHB needed).
I had asked the question to the group here if anyone had tried using it instead of the D&D PHB v3.5 as the main rulebook in combination with d20PD.
My question was actually just a verbal thought: I wondered if MGP (mongoose) would be interested in doing some kind of basic rulebook for PDd20 that could be combined with the current PDd20 to replace the need of the dnd book. I saw that there are talks about doing a conversion to PD Modern. Perhaps this might be a better option.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:27 pm: Edit

I doubt Mongoose would be interested. (I know something few others know that makes this very probably true.)

By Andy Palmer (Andypalmer) on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 07:57 pm: Edit

Darren. I can assure you that the Bab5 book, while it includes the OGL rules does NOT have all of the rules needed to play the game. (i.e., WOTC deliberately left some things out of the OGL and do not permit reprinting of those rules from the PH)

By Jonathan M. Thompson (Bpi_Jonathan) on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:49 pm: Edit

The only way to do that is to take the OGL rules from the game and incorporate them into PD. This would make the book one complete entity. The D&D PHB is only brought to the table if you have it. You could also use the Mongoose Pocket Players Guide as an option. The PHB only covers the description of the skills, feats and how to create a character. Everything else is covered in the PD20 book.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 09:39 pm: Edit

Thanks Andy and Jonahtan for that info. It was just an idea in trying to figure out how to make PD a more "complete" book or system using "sci-fi" oriented books.

By Jonathan M. Thompson (Bpi_Jonathan) on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 04:30 pm: Edit

The d20M version of PD20 I am working on may help eliminate the problem you are experiencing. Of course you would still have to have the d20M book as well as the d20M Prime Directive book, but would erase the idea of D&D from your players minds while character creation is going on, and other things.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 06:40 pm: Edit

That would be awesome!
For consistency sake, having a non fantasy oriented DND Players handbook while trying to instill the image of science fiction campaign would be nice. Not to mention the DMG, etc.
Have a modern book to replace it would be fine.
Was a name for the d20m book ever decided upon?
I like Prime Future myself.
So, you are working on a standalone product, that combined with the d20 modern book will be new product line, correct?

By Jonathan M. Thompson (Bpi_Jonathan) on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 11:58 am: Edit

I dont know if the name is going to change or stay the same. This is correct, the combination of the PD20M book and the D20 Modern rulebook will be a new line. AFAIK the fantasy version will continue to be in print as well.

By Mitch Brock (Mitchbrock) on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 11:28 pm: Edit

Hey gang,

I’m new! Thanks for having this board up. I’m very excited about PD20!

My gaming group has been playing D&D for over 8 months and has reached a good point in our fantasy campaign to take a break, put those characters on the back burner, and try something new and exciting! So I just purchased PD20! I don’t have a lot of Star Trek fans at my table, but I’m lucky enough to have players that trust me to deliver a fun game regardless of the setting.

My question is… where is a good place to look for PD20 adventures? I have some great ideas, but I like to run a couple of published adventures first to make sure I know the correct mood for the game. I know there is the “Rescue on Roon” in the back of the book. Are there any adventure books out yet or places online where fans have displayed their adventures? Once I get a few games under my belt, I will put up whole adventures for others to use. Any help would be great! Thanks in advance!

Mitch

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 01:34 am: Edit

I don't know where you could find PD20 adventures. I managed to find "prime adventures 1" magazine and the PD GM's screen in a bargain bin for a couple of bucks, but those are for the original version of the PD system. I imagine that they could be adapted to other systems, with some work.