Jonathan Thompson is busily converting PD20 into PD20M (using the d20-Modern rules instead of the d20-3.5 rules). Any suggestions, questions, comments, advice, requests, or other input can go here.

To be clear, there was no mistake in using d20-3.5 for PD20, but there are those who also want the modern version and we will have both on the shelves this year.

We need a title for PD20M. I don't really want to use final frontier as I want that to be the adventure module series, but we could use the old prime adventures title for the adventure series and then use final frontier for d20-modern. Or something else. Suggestions on a title are welcome.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 01:12 pm: Edit

How about: Prime Future, Future Prime? Is the goal to have "d20 Modern" part of the title?? There is a d20 Future and a d20 Future Tech book (that would easily go with the PDm20 line.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 02:03 pm: Edit

QUESTION: Why is "Prime Directive" not usable. Both GURPS and D20 versions use that name with the game engine added. I'd hate to see the name changed.

Prime Directive: Modern. (PDM) It good that there are no SFU races that start with M... unless you count Monsters.

Prime Modern?

It worries me to create what might be mistaken as a new and separate game if it's not properly called Prime Directive.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:07 am: Edit

SVC:

What about "Prime Directive: D20 Future"

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 11:02 am: Edit

Not seeing anything I like yet.

The obvious one is "Prime Directive: d20 Modern" and that doesn't sing, but nothing else gets the point across.

By Andy Palmer (Andypalmer) on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Prime Directive: D20
D20 Modern Version

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:58 pm: Edit

Prime Directive:
D20 Modern Setting


Prime Directive: Modern Directive


Prime Directive: Modern Command


Prime Directive: Future Assault

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 01:09 pm: Edit

Prime Directive: Future Fronteer.

By Jim Cummins (Jimcummins) on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 01:42 pm: Edit

Future Directive: D20 Modern

Prime Future: D20 Modern Directive

Prime Directive Future: D20 Modern

Future Prime Directive: D20 Modern

Prime Directive: D20 ST Future

Prime Directive: Future Federation D20M

Prime Directive: D20 Modern Stars

By William F. Hostman (Aramis) on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 09:00 pm: Edit

Prime Directive: Modern Rules

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 09:39 pm: Edit

Prime Directive: Drink, Drank, Drunk Modern.

By Gary Plana (Garyplana) on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 12:09 am: Edit

PRIME DIRECTIVE D20-A.

We can then refer to the original version as PD20, no bloody A, B, C, or D.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 06:08 am: Edit

The thing is, if the word "modern" is in the title, it just takes away from the "future" part of it.
That was why I was liking:

Prime Directive: d20 Future

By Gary Plana (Garyplana) on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 09:26 am: Edit

GURPS did't grab me either, but to be honest, "PRIME DIRECTIVE D20 MODERN" is so very obvious that I think it's the best choice.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:11 am: Edit

Is D20 Modern really so different that it would radically alter PD to the point of needing a whole new core rule book?

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 09:40 pm: Edit

Another good point of the "modern" line is that you immediately have (and during the design of be tailored to be compatible with) the GM Screen, character sheets, future tech books, etc..
-Darren

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 01:21 am: Edit

Actually, PD20 Modern is something I'm actually interested in more than reference. I like the D20 modern stuff I've glanced at (but a more thurough study may change that). While I like GURPS detail and accuracy a lot they are moving REALLY slow on producing 4e stuff.

Question, do you all think D20 Modern easier to learn and use than GURPS?

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 01:11 pm: Edit

One benefit I DO like about the gurps version of PD, is that it is a product you can buy and start playing right away. The PD 20 is not.
GPD has "gurps lite" built into, meaning it has a basic rule set that you can use without the need for buying the 2 Gurps starter books ( those gurps starters are equivalent to a DND Players handbook and DM book).
Is it possible that the Modern version of PD could have something simillar taken out of the d20 Modern book??

By Andy Palmer (Andypalmer) on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 01:54 pm: Edit

Darren. There are a couple of factors to influence that.

1. There are some elements of D20 that the license does not allow the reproduction of (i.e., they are not part of the Open License).

2. D20 has a much higher pagecount to cover the same approximate material as GURPS - this is just a factor of how the systems work differently (compare the number of pages allocated to skill descriptions between D20 and GURPS; and D20 has feats on top of this).

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 09:18 pm: Edit

Thanks for the clarification.

By F. Douglas Wall (Knarf) on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 03:09 pm: Edit

Is there really enough rules difference between D&D and D20 Modern that it requires a whole new book? A PDF update or an appendix, I can understand. A separate edition of the book? I don't know.

I think the most space would be taken up with discussions on using the broader d20 Modern base classes, new advanced classes and occupations in PD20. That and the revised nonlethal damage rules are really the major differences between the two

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 03:40 pm: Edit

Yes, there is. Major changes to half of the pages.

Then there is the fact that "book for my system" sells better than "book for some other system and you can find the PDF thing that gives you the conversion data".

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 08:15 pm: Edit

When the modern book gets done, will the Romulan and Klingon get done thereafter?

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 09:44 pm: Edit

You know, if the PD20M book includes all the racial templates for D20M then the regular D20 racial sourcebooks should do fine, right? I mean they are largely just background material.

It might make the PD20M book a bit bigger but it might be worth it to not need to reproduce the entire line.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 11:01 am: Edit

good idea