Gary, that strikes me as The Matrix, not Forbidden Planet

Ever notice that the Krell power machine seemed to be a giant Tesla coil?

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 10:23 pm: Edit

{Deleted to put up better chart. -- J. Sexton]

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 11:13 pm: Edit

SVC announced that Leanna has set the ship date for PD20M Federation as August 30 (this year ). To get that done, we have to finish the "generic" book. Here is where we are as of tonight. (And yes, I am excited!)

PD Feds Page Count pd_feds_page_count.pdf (13 k)

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 12:09 am: Edit

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By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:07 pm: Edit

Whole page on economics, huh? Out of curiosity, which way did this go? Wondering if it allowed for some sort of hybrid solution that works for fans of 'Franchise Trek' (TNG+) that see the Federation with more...uhh..."communal" tendencies.

A LOT of pages on politics and political history, too, huh? Wow, that's...wow. Should be some INTERESTING discussion coming from that...that's like kicking the beehive in some neighborhoods!

I foresee some serious 'd threads in the future!

EDIT TO ADD: I'm only really being halfway snarky, here - this is actually a legitimate concern. Everyone in my group, myself the only exception, are familiar/fan-of the TNG+ series exclusively, and understand/'get' the SFU (or even TOS, really) in the context of an 'earlier time in the same universe'. VERY curious to see how the Federation is presented in this one...

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:17 pm: Edit

Buy the book! It works out very well! (John "pinko" Sickels and Steve "nazi" Cole worked together on it.)

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:21 pm: Edit

How much different will it be from the earlier PD1 Feds? Larger, more detailed etc? Maybe we could see a what has changed article in CL#42 comparing PD1 Feds and the new Fed book.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:28 pm: Edit

Somebody other than somebody at ADB (somebody other than me, other than Jean, other than John Sickels) can make you a list. So far as I know, we just ignored PD1 Feds entirely, but I have never read it so I don't know for sure.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:40 pm: Edit

As long as a "pinko" had some involvement, I think they'll be happy.

I guess I shouldn't be too worried, after all - both the GPD "Klingons" and GPD "Romulans" made both of those Empires well detailed and compelling...even sound like alright places to live! Well, actually, at least the Romulan Empire.

Man, the Romulan Empire. Just a GREAT place to live. I bet everyone wishes they could live there. They probably do! Everyone in the Federation should just go ahead and surrender, right now, and join the Romulans. Really, it's for the best! We can just use GPD: Romulans for the whole lot of it, then. A solid plan!

By Dale McKee (Brigman) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 08:41 pm: Edit

And hey, I'm doing some of the art, too!

...hey, wait... where are ya'll going?

Come back!

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 08:43 pm: Edit

There are a few things based on PD1 Feds, but it is about 98% new material.

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 08:50 pm: Edit

Economics...

As a pinko I'm loathe to admit that some right-wing ideas are valid , but I think we came up with a system that works pretty well, combining my ideas with Steve's.

The political history has some "liberal" leaders who were excellent, and some "conservative" leaders who were excellent, and some from both sides who were poor.

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 09:42 pm: Edit

"The political history has some "liberal" leaders who were excellent, and some "conservative" leaders who were excellent, and some from both sides who were poor."

In other words, just like real life.

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 09:50 pm: Edit

More on topic, what ship class are the deck plans of?

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 10:07 pm: Edit

We used the Burke-class frigate. It has all the functions of a much larger Federation military vessel and people could see how the entire ship was laid out and be able to extrapolate from that.

As the editor, I have to say that John and SVC have created a view of the Federation that is intriguing. I enjoyed reading it, enough so that I had trouble proofreading it. Military concepts are explained so that non-military people can get the feeling for what it must be like in Star Fleet. The species have fascinating histories and I came away with the feeling that this is really a well-written textbook (that means chock full of information and still entertaining) for students who need an introduction to the UFP. Perhaps this is the book they give to exchange students at the Academy?

I am really, really proud of this one.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 11:08 pm: Edit

Credit where it's due. John did most of the writing, but in full knowledge that if the "pinko" side got out of hand, the "nazi" would proceed to edit it back. I added a few notes and twists here and there. In the end, I didn't have to do any serious editing, and I even allowed John's "single payer healthcare" system to survive. (Socialized medicine works if you have all of that money from Mister Fusion royalties.)

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 11:10 pm: Edit

Now just send a copy of the PD Fed ecconomics system to the White House.


(no politics intended... I'm just saying it couldn't hurt.)

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 12:05 am: Edit

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By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 12:49 am: Edit

Free market capitalism undergirds the Federation economy, with the "Social Contract" system in place to help even out rough patches that individuals may experience through no fault of their own. This includes 1) socialized medicine 2) free education 3) unemployment benefits in exchange for community service if you can't find a job after a certain period of time.

No one in the Federation who wants a job goes without one. And with the resources of thousands of planets at their disposal, along with highly-advanced technology that can easily solve many problems we can't fix today, the system works. It is not quite what we see in TNG...money still exists, but hey, money existed in TOS.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 12:55 am: Edit

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By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 01:02 am: Edit

Credits were money...Cyrano Jones was trying to make a profit.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 01:04 am: Edit

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When the Federation Credit is shown, it is shown in one of three capacities:

• A bartering tool between the United Federation of Planets and other governments, presumably representing goods, services, or energy worthy of barter in a galaxy where physical wants often mean little. In the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode The Price, the Federation makes a large bid in Federation Credits in an attempt to purchase the rights to a stable wormhole.
• A means of internal budget allocation in the United Federation of Planets, such as in the Star Trek: The Original Series episode (Errand of Mercy). While it has almost unlimited resources, they have been shown to be finite (such as having limited numbers of starships), and thus some method of allocating Federation and Starfleet resources must be used.
• A way for Federation citizens to barter for objects that cannot be replicated, such as live animals, such as in the Star Trek: The Original Series episode (The Trouble with Tribbles), or for services that are far too costly to be given away freely, such as hiring the services of an entire starship (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock), or for the use of facilities (such as public transporters) that are in high demand and must have a method of rationing their access, such as in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode (Explorers).

It is unclear how citizens gain credits, since they are not paid directly for their work in credits. As there is no poverty, there is likely a highly egalitarian and fair method of distributing the wealth of the United Federation of Planets to its citizens, such as a basic income guarantee.

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By Patrick H. Dillman (Patrick) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 10:41 am: Edit

"We used the Burke-class frigate"

Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!

Just hoping the Klingon F5 and Romulan Snipe will be in some future product(s).

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 10:58 am: Edit

Given that replicator technology is in its infancy in the TOS/SFB era, we still needed to have money. I feel the system we came up with combines the best aspects of capitalism and socialism, but it is all explained in the book.

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 11:01 am: Edit

Patrick, IIRC deck plans for the Klingon D7 and a Romulan ship (War Eagle?) were in Cap Log, you could probably extrapolate from those.