Loren...

D20 Modern is no longer in print and from what I have gleaned, 2006 was the last year 'Wizards Of The Coast' released any new material for the game.

As far as I can tell, you can still purchase a PDF of the core rulebook via sites like RPGNow (if you are having trouble finding a hardcopy at your FLGS*).

~Scott


* I might suggest checking 'Game Empire' in Pasadena... I seem to recall seeing some D20 Modern books on their shelves (both the new AND used shelves...)

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 10:38 am: Edit

I bought one at my FLGS, but it's too bad it's out of print. I know PD20M will do fine because of all the thousands of copies out there, it's just that I didn't think the system was THAT tied to D20-3.5. And 4.0 seems to have mixed review leaning to the negative side.

Anyway, I just wanted to know. On-line sellers like Amazon still have them (D20M core books).

By Jonathan M. Thompson (Thompsonjm) on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 05:33 pm: Edit

Thats good to know. I do apologize for not posting sooner, but I have been buried under a ton of post graduate work. I should be checking this board about once a week from now on (at least through Christmas) and will answer any questions that might come up. Also as an aside, Im running PD20 in Dallas, Texas (at Project Akon) and in Shreveport, LA (at the Author Author festival). Anyone that will be in the area is welcome to stop by and play, if all else fails....we can play after hours.

By Robert Saint John (Groknard) on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 01:04 am: Edit

I think it's worth mentioning that the D20 Modern book *is* getting to be extremely difficult and expensive to obtain. For a new player, it pretty much adds at least $30+ to the cost of the game. Now that WoTC have stopped the sales of PDFs, the core book is even harder to obtain. The fact that there are thousands of copies out there in the hands of players is kind of irrelevant. They're not necessarily the ones who want to play PD D20M.

It would be very helpful to the line if some kind of ADB document based on the D20M SRD were incorporated into the book (best) or at least made available as a downloadable "Introduction to PD D20 Modern" type document (acceptable). At the every least, some pointer somewhere on the site to one of the places on the web that host the D20 Modern SRD would help.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 08:09 am: Edit

I will check with my d20M expert on that. Even if the book is out of print, it is still protected by copyright; we cannot reproduce huge chunks of it. We cannot add a pointer to an illegal site.

Do you have suggestions about websites? If so, please send them by email to the address in my profile.

Thanks,

Jean

By Robert Saint John (Groknard) on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 06:14 pm: Edit

I certainly wasn't talking about anything illegal or in violation of copyright. The D20 Modern SRD is at the WoTC site (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/msrd, http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/msrd/Modern.zip). The nature of the SRD *is* that its material can be republished elsewhere.

The D20 System logo on the book gets in the way of being able to include (for instance) details on character creation and advancement (which is why you need the D20 Modern Core book), but would not prevent a separate non-branded product from ADB that fills in the blanks.

I'll drop you a line that points to some legal examples, in case you're worried that I'm posting something that needs legal review. And Jonathan likely knows the licensing issues better than I do. I suppose now that I type this out, I recall that this is about loopholes -- legal, but still loopholes -- and I doubt ADB wants to deal with anything that requires a lawyer's review.

It's just such a good book, I hate to see the status of the D20M book get in the way.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 02:35 pm: Edit

Since we now use our own PD20 logo (since use of the d20 logo is no longer allowed) there is no "logo rule" stopping us any more. Which is not to say that I ever personally understood what the problems/rules were.

By Robert Saint John (Groknard) on Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 06:53 pm: Edit

That should certainly open up the possibilities, but IANAL. The "D20 System" logo on the books and the website tie ADB to a system trademark license that technically no longer exists and provides no benefit.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 09:07 am: Edit

I was looking on the order page, does Prime Directive d20 Modern require ownership of the D20 Modern rulebook to have the basic rules? It says Roleplaying on the Final Frontier using the d20 modern rules, but doesn't state you need aother rulebook or if the basic rules are included inside this product.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 09:49 am: Edit

Darren, by the license for d20M, we could not publish certain core rules, so yes, the d20M rulebook is needed.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 07:29 am: Edit

Please see the announcement under the Klingons RPG, PD20M topic about the new Klingons Prime Directive PD20M release.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:41 pm: Edit

We have published a new errata sheet for the PD20M Core Rulebook. This PDF is something Mike Sparks, SVC and I worked on while I was in Amarillo. The idea is that you can print this out, cut it up appropriately, and paste it over the incorrect text.

It does seem obvious the tapes were quite garbled when it came to the disruptors and their damage. It wasn't until we got into the Klingon tapes that we discovered the issue, went to an older set of tapes, and fixed the charts.

Here is the link: http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/ERRATA_FOR_PD20M.pdf

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:00 pm: Edit

The file looks good - but one of the entries in the Zorski table group V-b says 'Gorn', as opposed to 'Gorns'.

Also, I don't recognise 'Antareans' in Group III-b. Would that entry not be 'Arcturans' instead - or are the Antareans due for PD Federation or something?

By Gary Plana (Garyplana) on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:35 pm: Edit

The non-plural Gorn dates back to when they were considered three separate races.

I looked at my master copy of the Zorski Table that I wrote in 2001, and the Antareans are new.

FYI the Fralli from PD1-FEDS are in III-B also. I almost put them in Group-X as they're real oddballs. They're sulphur-based lifeforms with green copper-based blood like the Vulcans and Orions.

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:47 pm: Edit

I thought the plural of "Gorn" was "Gurn"
regards
Stacy

PS Look up "Gurning"

By Ken Burnside (Ken_Burnside) on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 12:28 am: Edit

I thought the plural of Gorn was "Oh God, I taste TERRIBLE! Here, meet my Vul..er, Romulan friend!"

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 01:00 am: Edit

Antareans are in PD Feds.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 02:43 am: Edit

The Antareans aren't new. They were mentioned in the KLINGONS book, in the fiction, in the tunnel, years ago.

By Gary Plana (Garyplana) on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 01:04 pm: Edit

Well, I guess it's time to update that decades-old copy of mine to a later version. the Original dates back to '89 which is when PD was just a glimmer in Tim's eyes.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 10:26 pm: Edit

Calling all PD20M players!

We have a program that has been sidelined since Vanessa left and we need to get it back in gear.

We need people to reach out as Ambassadors to RPG sites and to let them know about the new release of Federation PD20M. If you frequent those sites, we would appreciate your help in getting the word out to folks who might know nothing about the PD20M game or the Fed sourcebook. Let us know what you are doing by reporting it here so we can support your efforts. If you need an official voice, we can pop in and be that or we can tell your the answer and let you report it "straight from the horse's mouth."

Some important points that you can share include:

Our PRIME DIRECTIVE roleplaying games are solid trek-based gaming systems and while our contract doesn't allow us to give you Kirk or TNG, any good GM can do their own.

Yes, we have a contract with Paramount, have had it for decades, and our stuff is legal.

There is good solid RPG stuff in this new book. We just need to let folks know about it.

Thanks for your help.

Jean

By Patrick H. Dillman (Patrick) on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 11:14 pm: Edit

Here in this thread Jean or in the Starfleet Ambassadors board under the appropriate thread?
http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/messages/12032/16417.html?1263957821

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 01:32 am: Edit

Let me know here that you are going to work on getting info out on PD20M, but do your reports in the appropriate topic under the Ambassadors.

The reason this is so important is that we are not a big name in RPGs and yet we have this really good RPG product. There's a lot of folks who want a Trek-like RPG and this will give them data to run their games, fun aliens for player or GM characters, and rich alien cultures to explore.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Friday, January 07, 2011 - 09:41 pm: Edit

http://www.wizards.com/

I was looking for d20 Modern on WOTC's main website and do not see any reference....Under the Brands, it's no longer listed. I know it's been discontinued, so is there any chance ADB could sell a PDF version or rework the book to include the basic rules from d20 Modern core rulebook?

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Friday, January 07, 2011 - 10:13 pm: Edit

Darren, I'd like to do that some day, but in the meantime, try here: http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=57989

The biggest problem in our reworking the core rulebook to include the needed rules is that it will be hard to beat "free" which this product is.

By Darren Kehrer (Kehrer1701) on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 11:01 pm: Edit

Didn't realize it was. Thanks for pointing that out to me.