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Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board: Prime Directive RPG: DECK PLANS PROJECTS: Fed Police ship: Archive through October 23, 2019
By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, August 05, 2019 - 04:01 pm: Edit

These are the CAD icons for shuttlecraft that I have created thus far.

Yes, I even made people. The men are 6'2" and 5'11", and the women are 5'9" and 5'4" tall, left to right.

The FJ shuttle is a near-duplicate from the Franz Joseph tech manual. The ADB-size is a scaled-down version of that to match the size found in other published deck plans (e.g., Fed FFG).

The fighters and drones were based on SVC's published clip art. (I have my own Attack Shuttle design for use in non-SFB deck plans.)

The 4-seat "family car" and 2-man scooter are my designs, built from scratch. The worker-bee was inspired by designs seen elsewhere on the 'Web.


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 05:32 pm: Edit

Okay, in my mind, and unless SVC vetoes this, the Callahan cutter is *NOT* the "Plus Refit". That refit could be applied to the Series One, aka Masterson cutters, equally as well as to the Series Two, aka Callahan cutters.

In my version of events, assuming SVC doesn't change them for me, is the Callahan was invented about Y-147 to fix a few design flaws in the Masterson-class boats. At the granularity of SFB/FedCmdr and especially F&E, the two classes are FUNCTIONALLY IDENTICAL in game terms.

The swept-back engine design improved high-warp stability, and the larger, more efficient engines nearly doubled the ship's range.

In the history that I wrote, the main factory converted to building the Callahan boats in Y-147, but production of the Masterson-class continued up until about Y-162 at licensed facilities, even while older Masterson boats were being upgraded to Callahan boats.

There were some two-dozen prototype cutters built between Y-125 and Y-127, originally intended to be convoy escorts. These were never upgraded to Masterson-class let alone Callahan -- it wasn't possible due to a change in A/C power systems -- but some did actually receive the Plus Refit. The prototypes served mainly in the Capital Hex region and thus became the version the general public / news reporters think of when the police cutter is mentioned.

Here's my visual representation of the police cutter evolution. From left to right: the old WDD that I call the Defender-class Destroyer (I may need to modify the artwork), the early prototype convoy escort (it needs a class-name), the Masterson-class (no Plus Refit), and finally the Callahan-class with the Plus Refit.

Beside the obvious change in the engines, the Callahan added a façade to the aft hull to help protect the face of the cylinder, and a stiffing ridge-back along the top of the aft hull. The rectangular main bridge was replaced with a round bridge "borrowed" from the FF/FFG design. The Sick Bay was redesigned, too.


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 02:25 pm: Edit

Even tho the boat has seven airlocks / docking ports, only three of them are useful for docking to another ship. The four on the aft hull are blocked by the warp drive. When docked to a base, there would be adjustable platforms that could reach the aft airlocks.

There are three ways that a pair of cutters can dock together. The first and most obvious way is nose-to-nose. See this image for the other two ways. The Masterson-class and early Callahan-class could not use the side-to-side method because the airlocks were too far aft. Later Callahan-class ships had the airlocks moved forward 8.5 meters to give clearance in front of the warp engine (it's still only 6.75 meters). I made the adjustment as part of the Plus Refit, but it could have been done earlier.

It is possible to move them another 8.5 or 17.0 meter farther forward, but then it would have all three forward-hull airlocks in close proximity, with only 12 meters walking distance from the nose to either side portals (these are all on Deck Five). I felt that was too bunched up.


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 12:11 pm: Edit

I redid my evolution of the police cutter images. I redrew the WDD to make the change from it to the POL less radical. I noticed that the WDD's tractor is on the aft hull, so I fixed that on my drawing. I also swapped the class-name and made the Y125 Convoy Escort prototype cutter the "Defender-class", and made the WDD the "Wellington-class Destroyer" based on a suggestion in the Ship Names topic(placeholder names, pending approval/veto).

I "think" the Callahan deck plans are ready to send to ADB for review. I also have ten pages of notes that I think ADB can distill down to about six or seven pages, not counting the crew roster (which I need to do the final edits on).


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By Gregory S Flusche (Vandor) on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 05:58 pm: Edit

cool

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 11:18 am: Edit

{sigh} Ever hear the saying, "Perfect is the enemy of good"? I found two very minor glitches. I was able to fix on in the PDF file (somehow a bed got turned 90-deg sideways and was embedded in a wall). The second is so tiny, I could give the file to a hundred people, and maybe one would find it. I fixed it in the native file but haven't exported to PDF. I need to remember how I exported to TIFF format. There was some trick to getting the file size down to something manageable.


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By Jack Bohn (Jackbohn) on Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 12:26 pm: Edit

(somehow a bed got turned 90-deg sideways and was embedded in a wall)

I've had that happen when moving into one apartment!

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 12:49 pm: Edit

It was in a brig cell, so maybe it was a prisoner escape attempt.


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By Steve Zamboni (Szamboni) on Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 01:07 pm: Edit

It shares a bed with the cell next to it?

(The movie Brasil did this with a shared desk.)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 04:37 pm: Edit

I suspect a spacewarp involving the guys from Zeta Reticuli.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 05:12 pm: Edit

I thought the brig walls, overheads and decks were all the same material, Duratainium. take more than teeth, fingernails and bad words to break any of those surfaces.

unless prisoners are allowed to smoke, and each one gets issued a high mega wattage arc torch to light their cigarets with?

besides, isnt there a danger of cancer? why wouldnt Jean stop them from harming themselves?

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 05:47 pm: Edit

Sounds to me like someone didn't fill out the 27B/6 properly...

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 09:42 pm: Edit

that would be the Yeoman's assignment. Who had the duty? grin.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Friday, August 30, 2019 - 09:46 am: Edit

I just hit SEND to e-mail the files to ADB for review and comment, so I better not look at the plans for a while. My luck, I'll see another stupid error to be fixed. Besides, I should take time for to clean up the crew roster document.


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By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Friday, August 30, 2019 - 11:14 am: Edit

is it too late to mention that you substituted bidets for toilets in all of the officers cabins?

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Friday, August 30, 2019 - 12:21 pm: Edit

Maybe I left that on purpose to see whether SVC or SPP would find it first.

Seriously, though, I used 20th-century equivalents for a lot of Trek-era technology. Partly because the icons / symbols came with my CAD program (Floor-Plan Plus v2), and partly because I don't know what the future tech would look like. Ergo, I used icons for modern-day stoves, washer/dryers, sinks, showers, 'thrones', flat-screen TVs, and computer keyboard/monitors. I could have drawn new icons for all those items (and I did edit existing icons), but nobody would know what they are. It's like the three-seashells.

Perhaps when the Air Force tapes were translated, they substituted those symbols in to declassify the documents; otherwise, they would have revealed what future-tech will look like and risk causing timeline contamination.

There are some items that I drew from scratch: sickbay beds -- both exam/recovery beds and surgical beds, the HVAC system, bio-waste processors, and water recycling system. And let's not forget SVC's favorite: "It's even got a trash compactor that big enough to put a person in!"


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 01:00 am: Edit

Should the rooms / offices where the Boarding Parties hang out be labeled "Security" or labeled "Tac-Team"?? Right now, I have them as "Security", but that's an easy edit.


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By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Security is fine

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - 12:58 pm: Edit

This is from an e-mail conversation with Petrick:

Under Annex #6 Commander's Options under Fighters and Shuttles, Substitutes for Shuttles, allows any ship with two shuttles to substitute a heavy transport shuttle in exchange for two admin shuttles. This also establishes that any ship with space for two admin shuttles could launch them and land a heavy transport shuttle in their place during a scenario. You might also do this out of combat in normal operations to facilitate cargo transfer when docking is not possible for some reason. A colony might have a bulk item for you to transport (more than 15 spaces of cargo, so too big to be carried by a single admin shuttle), so you launch your admin shuttles and a heavy transport shuttle from the planet lands in your shuttle bay to deliver the item. Note that under "overcrowding" (J1.643) an overcrowded shuttle cannot be rearmed, repaired, or prepared for a special mission, this last item has been interpreted as you cannot load or unload cargo if overcrowded, so you would have to launch both admin shuttles to accommodate the heavy transport shuttle and transfer the cargo.
Well, that answers a question posted up-topic. Ergo, I do need to make sure the Police Cutter can accommodate MRS and HTS shuttlecraft.


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, October 21, 2019 - 05:42 pm: Edit

The shuttle bay doors have been widened from 6.5 meters to 9.0 meters to allow the 7.0 meter wide HTS to enter. Yes, it's a tight fit, but I simply cannot make it any wider.

I also added a label "Shuttle Bay Deck Is 1.50 Meters Lower Than Main Deck" to explain why there is a shuttlecraft lift in the bay.


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 12:02 pm: Edit

I'm getting conflicting results on a Google search. Is it:

A: To Serve And Protect
B: To Protect And Serve
C: To Serve And To Protect
D: To Protect And To Serve


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 03:52 pm: Edit

I'm trying a little experiment with color but I'm not sure if I should go for realistic colors or color-code by the type of room.


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By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 07:13 pm: Edit

A quick google points to D but this is mainly the cop shows (Car 54, Adam-12, Dragnet, etc) which are LA based and other departments adopted …

By Richard Wells (Rwwells) on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 08:49 pm: Edit

Chicago PD uses We Serve and Protect. Probably dozens of variations of the motto out there if one includes formulations done in languages other than English.

By Jack Bohn (Jackbohn) on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 08:58 pm: Edit

I was going to reference Jack Williamson's "The Humanoids," but I see their prime directive is phrased "To serve and obey and guard men from harm," so don't trust my memory for anything.

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