It all comes down to how much the life support systems can handle. That is of course something for the RPG side of things.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, April 06, 2020 - 03:00 pm: Edit

The problem being, where would all these bunk beds / mattresses come from? I doubt the ship would have that many on-hand stashed away in storage. I can see, perhaps, that standard bed frames have a built-in bunk that somehow collapses / telescopes down for normal use. The extra mattress would have to a thin pad and/or inflatable. Neither of those things can be allowed in the Brig.

I put a man-icon in the gym and copy/paste to see how many I could fit in the space. The gym can house 50-75 refugees "comfortably", double that with minimum spacing between mats. It can hold 275-300 "sitting room only" without any mats to lie down on. They'd be packed like sardines, so such arraignments would not be sustainable. It would work for a few hours, but not for more than two or three days, I would think.

By the way, I have personal experience with this situation. We had to evacuate our house to the school cafeteria during the 1979 flood, along with about 20-25% of the town. The biggest problem wasn't food or cots/mats, but rather that the restrooms couldn't handle to amount of use.

The ship has a pair of 24-seat (recline into cots??) auditoriums, so you could probably pack another 50+ people in each of them. Typically, there's ten unassigned crew quarters, and you can free some more up by moving crew in together. I think you could put perhaps five people in each room, so there's another 50 saved bodies, more if the crew double-up. Again, I wouldn't bunk refugees in with the ship's crew for safety / security reasons.

So, yes, in theory, you can save 500+ refugees, perhaps upwards of 750, with the amount of space available. You might be able to cram a thousand people on a cutter if you got really creative, but you'd better have a place to drop them off real soon. Realistically, however, the ship is designed, from the start of the project, to handle up to about a hundred evacuees without undue stress.


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By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, April 06, 2020 - 03:04 pm: Edit

Gregory, what are you talking about? RPG?? Role-Play Games?? Didn't you hear?? Steve Cole is re-designing Star Fleet Battles to replace the SSD with realistic deck plans that you have to mark up with damage. You'll have to account for the location of every crew-member throughout the battle.


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By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Monday, April 06, 2020 - 06:20 pm: Edit

(* raises eyebrow, Vulcan style *)

[@ channeling Arte Johnson @]

Verrryy Interesting, but …

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, April 06, 2020 - 11:16 pm: Edit

If that were true all my ships would be robot controlled TYVM.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, April 06, 2020 - 11:24 pm: Edit

Q. Why was the Fed Police ship chosen for this project and not another ship like a BC, NCL, or DD?

(I assume the CC or CA was already done or there were copy write challenges.) I don't even think a Fed Police ship has ever been part of more than a handful of my SFB games in the past 39 years. Are most of the RPG scenarios based on Fed Police?

By A David Merritt (Adm) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 12:22 am: Edit

Proof of concept unit.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 02:22 am: Edit

Lar: If you're asking why I made the POL plans ... I was trying to write a fiction story (yet another one that Petrick picked apart like a vulture does road-kill) and made a simple sketch of the ship to help me keep track of where the characters were at as the story went along. It grew from there.

When I started working on it, ADB wasn't all that interested, so it was just a personal project. And then after ADB published PRIME DIRECTIVE, they saw a need for deck plans. I considered doing the Burke-class Frigate, but Nick Blank beat me to it.


By the way, what's "TYVM" again??


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By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 06:14 am: Edit

Thank you very much?

Just a guess...

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 08:38 am: Edit

Oh, well, duh! And here I was looking thru the G-3 annexes looking for a ship in that class. Doh!!


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By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 10:23 am: Edit

Garth, thanks for the explanation, I have always wondered. I did almost shower the monitor with coffee with the 'vulture' comment

Also Jeff nailed it on the Thank you very much.

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 01:41 pm: Edit

I had to put up a marine Batt in early spring 2004. They went into a circus tent. Bunks 18" apart. No AC. No running water.

By the way, the first group gets off a C130 and IMMEDIAtely gets issued ammo. The USAF guys go to lectures on suicide prevention, SHARP, etc.

The next AM, the USAF are still getting lectures and monitored for altitude sickness, etc. The USMC has a mortar baseplate and are doing wind sprints by picking it up (it weighs around 130#), running 100 yards. dropping it. doing 10 puchups and 10 sit ups, and then picking it back up to sprint back to the next guy. It was exhausting just to match.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 04:31 pm: Edit

Mike G. Where was that? I deployed in '04 and supported a pair of Marine KC-130s that were flying supplies into a base in the mountains after USAF pilots told their (our) general that "it was safe" to land there.


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By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 06:42 pm: Edit

The Corps has no down time, only (light) training time!

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 06:51 pm: Edit

I meant to say the USAF pilots said "it was NOT safe" to land there. The Marines didn't think it was a big deal. The reason is the runway is on a pretty good slope, and the predominate winds are from the downhill side, meaning that if you land into the winds like normal, like the USAF pilots attempted, you're landing downhill. The Marine pilots said they ignore the wind direction and land uphill, even with a strong tail-wind.


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By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 07:05 pm: Edit

Well the Marines have landed a C-130 on a carrier so I guess pretty much any land runway is pretty good.

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 07:26 pm: Edit

Khandahar. Next to the pile of blown up russian helicopters and about 50 yards from where I entered the base via my "private gate."

You know Khandahar? I built all those barracks units across from "famous Amos" on the boardwalk. I was the SECOND guy on base to have a flush potty (my boss Barry was first).

In 2004 you could find us right next to the "Golden Relief" concrete mixing batch plant. I presume you lived in the luxury tents in the AF area... On the way to ECP 1 from where I was.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 09:38 pm: Edit

I spent four or five hours on the ground at Khandahar on my way from Manas to Jacobabad in July 2004. Long story. And, no, it wasn't luxury anything where I was at. Except, maybe for the fact no-one was actively shooting at us. When I was in Korea or even Panama and hear people complain about how bad the place was, I would say, "There are worse places to be. I know. I've been there." It was really hard to say that with a straight face at Jacobabad.


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By Steve Stewart (Stevestewart) on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 07:56 am: Edit

My first impression of KAF was the smell - we disembarked from our C-17 next to the sewage plant.....

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 07:37 pm: Edit

KAF had an ENORMOUS "sewage aeration pond" that was to be a temporary thing until the built the outfall line. 15 years later it was still in use.

I was back at KAF for a couple months, assigned to he night shift, Summer2011. I was in a "GP Medium tent", 8 bunk beds & no AC. Not a happy time when i tried to sleep (it would get up to about 120 inside the tent).

I have an AMAZINGLY funny story about the USAF security police taking over the perimeter from the USMC if anyone would like to hear it. NOT flattering to the USAF.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 11:14 pm: Edit

We want to hear it.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 11:45 pm: Edit

Definitely.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 01:07 am: Edit

Yeah, but take it to a different thread please. Thanks.


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By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 09:28 am: Edit

Party pooper.

(Smiles as it is said.) okay, that actually is the proper thing to do. Grin.

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Friday, April 10, 2020 - 01:36 pm: Edit

BTW, the sewage aerator was called "the Poo Pond"

I have a tee shirt somewhere...