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Kang Fleet Captain
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 1976 Location: Devon, UK
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: Stinger firing rates |
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The Distant Kingdoms rules on Stingers say that although a fusion beam on a Stinger can fire once per turn [without waiting to cool off], a given Stinger can fire only one fusion beam per turn.
Is this correct? Is that really what it's meant to say? I must admit I had to do a double-take on this one once it was pointed out to me... _________________
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Scoutdad Commodore
Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 4754 Location: Middle Tennessee
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yes - one fusion beam per turn. That was the end result of all of the various play testing that was performed.
I haven't gotten my copy of DK yet (9 more days adn I can pick-it up at Origins), but I assume tthat you can still fire both charges in one fusion beam at the same time, but you can only fire one fusion beam per turn. _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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Kang Fleet Captain
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 1976 Location: Devon, UK
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Scoutdad wrote: | I assume that you can still fire both charges in one fusion beam at the same time |
You can. Stingers [but not ships] can double-shot the fusions and extend the range to 10 hexes [but don't increase damage], otherwise they are limited to three hexes' range.
Thanks for the confirmation about the rules too. _________________
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pinecone Fleet Captain
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 1862 Location: Earth
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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What's the point in having two beams then? |
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junior Captain
Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 803
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Because it allows the Stingers to fire twice as many shots before they have to return to the ship to reload. |
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TJolley Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 284
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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pinecone wrote: | What's the point in having two beams then? |
2 range 4-10 shots over 2 turns
1 range 4-10 shot and 2 0-3 range shots over 3 turns
4 range 0-3 shots over 4 turns
So anywhere from 2-4 effective turns of Fusion combat..assuming they last that long, but considering the focus on killing them as soon as possible, they probably won't live long enough to utilize the additional charges. |
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MikePowers Lieutenant SG
Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 176
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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pinecone wrote: | What's the point in having two beams then? | There isn't one. It's a holdover from SFB, where you can fire both fusions at once (but there are also more ways to kill fighters.)
I find it easier to just say that Stingers have one gatling phaser and one four-shot Fusion Beam. |
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mjwest Commodore
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 4075 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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MikePowers wrote: | I find it easier to just say that Stingers have one gatling phaser and one four-shot Fusion Beam. |
Which, quite frankly, works just fine, too. It even works with the fighter check-off graphics as is. _________________
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pinecone Fleet Captain
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 1862 Location: Earth
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Have those graphics been changed since Battleships Attack? |
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mjwest Commodore
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 4075 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think so. I think the Stinger graphic hasn't changed since then. _________________
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defurusu Lieutenant JG
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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A question just occurred to me... is the limit on re-arming a Stinger Fusion applied per weapon, or per fighter? What is the last "it" in rule 5Q2d:
Quote: | A fighter fusion beam may not be recharged in the same turn in which it was fired, so if a Stinger fires a fusion beam and lands, it cannot be re-charged until the next turn. | ?
If, for example, I fire a long range shot from one of a Stinger's Fusion Beams using both charges on turn X, another shot (at either range, it doesn't really matter for the purposes of this argument) from the same fighter's other Fusion on turn X+1, and that Stinger lands aboard a carrier on this same turn X+1, can it re-arm the Fusion Beam which fired on turn X and re-launch the Stinger before the end of turn X+1? |
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Mike Fleet Captain
Joined: 07 May 2007 Posts: 1675 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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I think it refers to the specific fusion beam. |
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TJolley Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 284
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Pretty sure it applies to any fusion beam.
For example, if you Fire a Fusion beam on a Stinger on Impulse 1 of turn 2 and land it on say impulse 4 of turn 2, at the end of turn 2 you can NOT reload the fighter. You have to wait until the end of turn 3 to reload the fighter. |
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mjwest Commodore
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 4075 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I am pretty sure it is the fighter, not just a specific weapon on the fighter. _________________
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defurusu Lieutenant JG
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. I'm slightly disappointed because I hoped it would be a restriction which only applied to the Fusion which fired on the same turn (that's how it reads to me), but there you go.
Quote: | For example, if you Fire a Fusion beam on a Stinger on Impulse 1 of turn 2 and land it on say impulse 4 of turn 2, at the end of turn 2 you can NOT reload the fighter. You have to wait until the end of turn 3 to reload the fighter. |
Remember that you can re-arm a fighter in the Launch step of any impulse, and don't have to wait until the end of turn. In your example, the fighter can be reloaded and launched on impulse 1 of turn 3.
Under my (apparently incorrect) interpretation you could reload its other Fusion (which I'm assuming was fired on turn 1) & launch on impulse 5 of turn 2, ready to fire on impulse 1 of turn 3. |
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