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		| jpat Lieutenant Commander
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Timing of tractor auction in EA |   |  
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				| If there's a tractor auction in EA when one ship has tractored another, when does the auction take place? Specifically, does it take place before or after allocating the baseline speed? This seems important given that if my ship is caught in a tractor, I may choose to put tokens into an auction in EA or I may choose to try to move both our ships by putting tokens into a high(er) speed. |  | 
	
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		| TJolley Lieutenant Commander
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Dunno..neither 5D6a (Tractor auctions) nor 1E1 (Energy Allocation ) say..good question. We usually play it after setting baseline speed..but that's just how we do it. |  | 
	
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		| Scoutdad Commodore
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| We do just the opposite. We resolve tractor auctions first and then the power left over can be allocated as needed. _________________
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		| jpat Lieutenant Commander
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Scoutdad wrote: |  	  | We do just the opposite. We resolve tractor auctions first and then the power left over can be allocated as needed. | 
 
 If it had come to that, that's probably what we would've done. I got tractored on impulse 8 and had no juice left to do anything about it then.
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		| TJolley Lieutenant Commander
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| looks like an addition to rev 5 rulebook is in order after it is ruled on  |  | 
	
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		| mjwest Commodore
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Well, going by the list in (1E1), and the wording of (1D2), I think that choosing your baseline speed comes before anything else in energy allocation. _________________
 
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		| jpat Lieutenant Commander
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | mjwest wrote: |  	  | Well, going by the list in (1E1), and the wording of (1D2), I think that choosing your baseline speed comes before anything else in energy allocation. | 
 
 "I think"? I expected better from you, sir.
   
 That's certainly a reasonable way to read it, but neither of those sections, unless I'm really missing something, has anything to say about tractor auctions. The best evidence is the use of "first" as in "First you must set your baseline speed" in (1D2).
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		| TJolley Lieutenant Commander
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| It can be argued that as the tractor is a carry-over from the previous turn, the tractor auction would take place before setting base-line speed as it would be superseding that step. 
 But again, we play it as set base-line speed in secret, then do the tractor auction.
 
 Other folks do it the other way around.
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		| mjwest Commodore
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Well, (1E1) does list tractor activity, specifically tractor continuation, so I just lump them all together. _________________
 
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		| dstancliffe Lieutenant JG
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | mjwest wrote: |  	  | Well, going by the list in (1E1), and the wording of (1D2), I think that choosing your baseline speed comes before anything else in energy allocation. | 
 
 The Player Reference Card list 'pay to continue Tractor Beams' as the last item in energy allocation.
 
 We have always played it with the steps taking place in the order that they appear on the card (Baseline speed/Weapon loading/Shield regen/Tractors).
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		| pinecone Fleet Captain
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| And the Reference cards seems to be the most in-depth reference mateiral available. 
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		| Savedfromwhat Commander
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | pinecone wrote: |  	  | And the Reference cards seems to be the most in-depth reference mateiral available. 
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 What do you mean by that? Was it sarcasm?
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		| pinecone Fleet Captain
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Romulan border has the Reference Cards. 
 Bad use of smilies on my part
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