Federation Commander

[mjwest]

[storeylf]

[mojo jojo]

[mojo jojo]

[Bolo_MK_XL]

Move a DN at zero (0) and see where the intruder displaces to ---

It won't be to a position the DN can tack to and bring any decent amount of phasers to bear ---

Displacement and facing makes that kinda tactic a losing proposition for the DN --

Not likely the Andro will worry over the lone F the DN can fire ---

[Kang]

Has anyone tried a Dominator vs. an ISC BB? The Dom has a point value of about 450; the ISC BB about 350 (don't have my ship cards to hand as I type). Does that match up with people's actual play experiences?
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[terryoc]

I'm playing Andros vs ISC right now in a PBEM game; basically tournament rules at Fleet Scale.

If we assume it's tournament rules/map, then if the ISC sits in a corner at Speed Zero and refuses to engage, the Andromedan player is under no obligation to impale himself on the ISC's guns. In this situation, the ISC player could very easily get called for non-aggression. Even if non-aggression rules are not used, then the scenario simply plays out into a boring draw. I think that starcastling with PPDs would work pretty well against any opponent, not just Andromedans. So I don't think this is strong evidence that the Andro is overpointed. It may simply be that the DNP is too good, or that PPDs in general got too strong in FC.

If standard rules are in use, the ISC is a plasma ship and as such, it must be a location map, which will give the Andromedan more room for sabre dancing.
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[Kang]

It's both a plasma ship and a PPD ship, as it's the ISC BB - and yes it is a location map.

It's for a scenario I am designing, and although we have playtested it, we've had to rebalance it anyway - so I was just wondering if anyone else had experience with these two ships in a battle.

The basic premise of the scenario (without giving too much away - I aim to get this one published and don't want to spoil the surprise! ) is that the ISC BB and two DDs must defend two moons. These are spaced about 22 hexes apart and are being scanned by a Dominator and two Mambas, which the ISC must try to prevent from doing that.
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[mojo jojo]

[terryoc]

Mojo, I figured I'd see some agression this turn... that's why I'm in the centre of the map, to give myself some running room
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"Man, Terry, you are like a loophole seeking missle!" - Mike West

[Nerroth]

I'd be interested in seeing how well (or otherwise) a Dominator could do against a Juggernaut DN.


Indeed, with the expanding array of Juggernaut Empire ships awaiting the jump to FC, there could be all sorts of interesting matchups between those two factions in the future...
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[storeylf]

I really just can't see ISC winning or drawing by sitting in a corner vs Andro. Andros should cream any ISC who have forgone any attempt at making life awkward for the andro! A cornered speed 0 ship/fleet is just a target for you to analyse and work out the correct attack.

[kirbykibble]

Considering that other empire BB's such as the Hydran BB, it can be more powerful. The Hydran BB is 380 points (squadron scale) plus 12 fighters which adds up to 500 points. Also, the Seltorian Battle wagon is worth 500 points. Still, the Dom. has hanger points so it does have a advantage
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[Nerroth]

The Dominator is not a battleship; the Andromedan BB is the Devastator, a ship not in FC yet.

As an indicator of how fearsome that ship is, its BPV in Star Fleet Battles is 610!
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[Klingon of Gor]

I'm going to disagree with the OP here and say that an Intruder should be able to handle the average Dread. Andros don't handle like other races, and you have to think a little out of the box with them.

It's true that the Dread has more firepower, but what if they can't use it? The Andro might, for example, put his Intruder on the same facing as the Dread, and then disdev into same hex. Now assume that the Intruder has the power to run the same speed as the Dread and buy a point of acceleration, the Dread has to move first. So the Andro can keep himself out of arc for the Dread's forward firing weapons. Even an HET by the DRead won't change this. The Andro now has the firepower advantage. (Note: Don't try this on Lyrans if they have a live ESG)

Now the Dread can turn, slip, HET, whatever. You can stay out of arc for most of his weapons. On the last sub pulse, you'll have to make a choice about where you want to end up. If the Dread is a Klingon, you want to end up facing his number 4 shield, so you follow his moves exactly. With other races, you might sideslip on the last subpulse, as there may be a lot more phasers bearing down the back centerline. (If it's a HYdran Dread, there's no point in eating both phaser G's.) Further Note: If there are fighters trailing behind, this can change the calculus somewhat.

So deliver your alpha strike, and then you disdev out. Or disdev him to cover your withdrawal. or tractor him. Or whatever.

Where Andros fall down is in 450 point squadron games. An Andro squadron might have one Intruder at most. The concentrated fire of a lot of opposing squadrons might fill it's power panels up in a heartbeat, and if the Intruder is wrecked, the Andro squadron is facing a grim future. A Hydran hellbore squadron, for example, can engage the Intruder long before it gets to effective range, and fill up both banks in one impulse.
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