Federation Commander

[storeylf]

[Jean]

mojo jojo, I must remind you that it is bad form to continue to argue a point after a moderator has suggested you take it elsewhere. A simple reply that you were taking it to email so that storeylf would be alerted to incoming email would have been sufficient to the cause.

Do not force me to wield the #8 Griswold cast-iron frying pan today as I have a horrid cold and my aim might be off and when it is, it tends to be low ...

Please return the discussion back to the scenario at hand.

Thanks for your cooperation,

Jean
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[Nerroth]

[Scoutdad]

[mojo jojo]

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[terryoc]

It is very difficult for a Lyran force to use its ESGs on the same target at the same time, mostly because ESGs interact with each other (5N2f), and also the target can launch some shuttles manned and just have them sit in the SB's hex, which will dilute the ESG damage. Or have a defending ship in the same hex. Another direct fire empire like Feds for example, will not have that issue. I suppose you could have a conga line of ships flying through the SB's hex, but then you have (potentially) multiple opportunities for shield reinforcement.

I think that disruptors are "naff" against most big bases (BATS and larger) because the target has thick shields, lots of batteries, and plenty of power. It's hard to chew your way through those thick shields with disruptors at range. Massed drones or plasma hitting the same shield on the same impulse can do it though, because it's all one volley. Meanwhile, the defenders' weapons are punching through the shields on the attacking ships and damaging them, reducing your firepower.
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[Nerroth]

There is one type of base that massed disruptor fire would be quite useful against: Andromedan ones.

With every tenth point of damage on PA Panels scoring internals, disruptor-armed fleets can rack up more leak damage than others can; as the PBEM game involving the Python can show, even these drip-drip internals can cause trouble for an unlucky Andro's weapons suite.
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FC Omega Discussion (v3)
FC LMC Discussion

[mojo jojo]

It seems pretty clear that you can launch as much as possible. 4A3 specifically refers to "fire" and the intro to 4F specifically notes that Direct-Fire Weapons are "fired" while Seeking Weapons are "launched".

One loophole in the rules is that 4A3 refers to fire "out of the hex". Does that mean that there is no limit to same hex shots? So a Fed fleet can have 6 ships in the same hex with the SB and have all 6 fire at the SB?

[terryoc]

Mojo, no loophole: "...or at any single
target or targets in any single hex..." in the same sentence.

Gary: The Andromedan BATS has a fair amount of "stuffing" and an excellent repair rating, so it's not that bad. It's the drones that the Klingons and Kzintis can bring that cause problems.
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[mojo jojo]

[storeylf]

[jmt]

[mjwest]

[mojo jojo]

Against a SB with special sensors and 400 supporting BPV of ships, the best 1000 BPV attacking forces seem to be:

1) A Tholian force with enough WC to keep up a continuous coverage. They'll be immune to the SB and 1000 pts should be enough to massacre any ships that try to go around the web and challenge them.

2) Big plasma. Any reasonable 1000 pt fleet should annihilate the SB with little difficulty. The best plasma fleet seems to be 5 Vultures and 2 Snipes. At range 4, it's 820 pts damage. At range 8, it's 764 pts of damage. At range 12, it's 596 damage. With cloak, the SB can't do much to prevent the fleet from reaching any of these ranges. Even with sensors, the SB dies horribly.

3) A Hydran fusion fleet with max stingers. The SB and escorts can't shoot down every stinger, and the ones remaining plus motherships should be quite enough to gut the SB.

4) A fleet of just Drone ships. 1000 pts of drone ships should be able to overload any SB's defenses except for Tholian.

5) A LDR fleet might have enough gatlings to do the trick. I'm not 100% sure unless I run the math, but they're way better than a regular Lyran fleet.

6) It may be slow, but a fleet of 2 Dominators or 1 Dominator and 2 Intruders can probably wear down the SB since they can dissipate damage extremely quickly. Each time they make an attack run, they displace away and clear damage from their panels during the reload turn at range 26. They make sure they always fire at a range where the SB plus defending ships' damage can't get through their front panels. 8-10 TRH's plus lots of PH-2 should eventually do the trick. They may want to take out the SB's escorts first, but it shouldn't matter either way.

7) Bring a scout along for the attack. A Fed scout plus 7 NCLs is 999 pts and it has 8 special sensors that can counter-jam the SB's sensors. Should be enough to let the 28 fully overloaded photons plus phasers to crush the SB.

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