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mjwest
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fully expect the C6 empires to be brought into Federation Commander at some point. However, I would think we need to see the published ships in SFB first. I would be stunned if they tried to do a parallel effort of some sort. That is, BTW, a very valid discussion, but this is not the right spot for it.

As for the Early Years, the point is not to get the Carnivons and Paravians into Federation Commander. The point is to get Early Years ships into Federation Commander. Some people like the idea, some people don't. Apparently, you are in the camp who doesn't like that. Quite frankly, those of that opinion have probably already won. But those of us who actually like the Early Years will still hope we get the shot to do it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also someone who has gotten into FC directly from the TV series and never played SFB (so pardon my ignorance of the greater Star Fleet Universe). Even though I am also more interested in new empires, I am still very interested in the early years for 3 reasons: Vulcans, Vulcans, and Andorians.

In fact, when I heard that there was such a thing as the early years I started doing all kind of searches for Vulcan ships and when we might see them in FC. As I was searching, I kept thinking what systems a Vulcan ship would posses. Thematically I thought that special sensors were obvious and then maybe phasers due to there versatility. Well, on one of the threads I found that in SFB they have exactly that! This was weeks ago and I still think how cool that was.

And yes, I know about the argument that Vulcans serve on Federation ships etc. I just want to be constructive and offer a view point of someone (and yes I know I may be a sample size of 1) who has not played SFU games for years. Besides, if you cut the Romulans (a logical move) at least put in their close relatives.

Thanks for listening and for the great game,

Martin
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see the appeal of the warp-refitted (or warp-driven) era, in terms of how diverse the various Alpha navies were at the time; both the Feds and ISC still had plenty of pre-unified planetary fleets in service, the likes of the Kzintis and Lyrans had ships with very different hull layouts compared to their Y-era successors, and the Romulans had not quite slipped so far off the pace technologically as they did in later decades.

On the other hand, doing products with the various Fed National Guard ships (or the five pre-ISC planetary navies) would likely need a lot more space to flesh out properly.


You'd probably have to offer a smaller cross-section of the Octant per release for the W-era; perhaps with more explicit groupings into different sub-settings (so one list covering the early ISC, another showing the Fed National Guards, another grouping the ironclads of the "distant kingdoms" together, and so on).


Although, one (very) long-term hope might be if Mongoose decide to take ACtA:SF into other SFU settings (new eras and/or locations); which in turn could perhaps offer an opportunity to see the likes of the Vulcans and Andorians get their pre-Star Fleet ships in miniature form that way. Should such a project ever exist, that could perhaps help get the ball rolling on the FC side of things.

But then, it's still an open question as to whether or not Mongoose would want to go there at all; and, even if they did, that any one particular setting (Early Years, X-ships, Omega, LMC, or some such) would end up making the cut. So, I probably wouldn't recommend holding one's breath on that score.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i miss the days of federation captains having to watch their "6" for klingons or playing "peek-a-boo" while working to get to that sweet spot to fire a plasma R into. nothing against the GW era but the Early years is where legends are made.

if we go with Svc's suggestion then i would have no problem with adding "civies". the YDD would be nice but could be lived without for awhile.

so we would have the Orions and the YDK in communique then correct.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nerroth wrote:
I can see the appeal of the warp-refitted (or warp-driven) era, in terms of how diverse the various Alpha navies were at the time; both the Feds and ISC still had plenty of pre-unified planetary fleets in service, the likes of the Kzintis and Lyrans had ships with very different hull layouts compared to their Y-era successors, and the Romulans had not quite slipped so far off the pace technologically as they did in later decades.

On the other hand, doing products with the various Fed National Guard ships (or the five pre-ISC planetary navies) would likely need a lot more space to flesh out properly.


You'd probably have to offer a smaller cross-section of the Octant per release for the W-era; perhaps with more explicit groupings into different sub-settings (so one list covering the early ISC, another showing the Fed National Guards, another grouping the ironclads of the "distant kingdoms" together, and so on).


Although, one (very) long-term hope might be if Mongoose decide to take ACtA:SF into other SFU settings (new eras and/or locations); which in turn could perhaps offer an opportunity to see the likes of the Vulcans and Andorians get their pre-Star Fleet ships in miniature form that way. Should such a project ever exist, that could perhaps help get the ball rolling on the FC side of things.

But then, it's still an open question as to whether or not Mongoose would want to go there at all; and, even if they did, that any one particular setting (Early Years, X-ships, Omega, LMC, or some such) would end up making the cut. So, I probably wouldn't recommend holding one's breath on that score.


Your are probably right, looks like I will have to wait a while for the "FC: Vulcans Defend" module Wink

Just pointing out the potential "Vulcan" name recognition and popularity for people not versed in the SFU. Now that I have explored FC and know a small amount of what else there is, having the Paravians and Carnivon would also be an appeal. But for that I had to make that step of getting to know the SFU via FC vs jumping direct from TOS.

As to the Early Years ships mentioned here, are they the same hull deign as the ones from the General War? If not, that too is interesting. It may seem shallow but FC is a more visual game. The rules keep me playing it, but it is also nice to look at. As a counter snob wargamer, I love the easy to handle and beautiful 1" counters.

BTW, Enjoy your input on "SFU On Call". I also bought your Omega play test rules and enjoyed reading them, hope to play test but I have not even played with all the Alpha goodies yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far as the ships go, it depends on who you ask.

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In the case of the Federation, the Y-era hulls are, for the most part, the first to be built to the "saucer-and-nacelle" layout that (most) Star Fleet ships are renowned for. Take, for example, the Republic-class YCA; the first true ancestor of the Constitution-class CA, so far as SFU history tells it.

(The old YCLs are an exception; in many cases, they are literally the same ships as the Texas-class CLs in the modern era, only with less powerful engines.)

In the W-era, however, there was no unified Star Fleet; each major member planet has its own planetary navy, filled with ships that were refitted with the first tactical warp drives. So, the Terrans had a variety of hulls inherited from their "sublight" (non-tactical warp) days; but only the WCLs were able to remain in front-line service once the Y-era came along. (The old Terran destroyer had the same outline as the modern Fed Police Cutter; but the latter ship pretty much had to be re-built from the keel up, so doesn't have quite the same internal design legacy as the CL does.)

This was also the time of the Vulcan, Andorian, Alpha-Centuaran and Rigelian planetary fleets; each of which had their own particular look to them, but perhaps haven't been given the kind of class-by-class distinctions as the Terrans.

(The real-life reason for this is that most of the Terran hulls in SFB Module Y2 were based on figures from the Silent Death miniatures line; thanks to a deal which ADB signed a few years back with Iron Crown Enterprises.)

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Actually, ICE are also the reason why the five pre-ISC fleets look the way they do; all of those W-era hulls were based on other Silent Death minis, the outlines of which can be seen on the Y2 and Y3 countersheets and SSDs.

(The unified ISC ships in the Y-era look different from the Pacification-era hulls, too; unlike the three-prong designs used by the modern Concordium, the Y-hulls have two prongs only.)

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Outside of the Feds and ISC, things are a little different. The Romulans, of course, use the exact same ships, only with various upgrades added to make each generation fly a little bit differently; the Kzintis used ships that kind of look like the modern Kzinti tug; while the Lyrans had much boxier hulls that weren't laid out as catamarans.

Or, to put a long story short, things are a lot more diverse hull-wise in the W-era than in the Y-era; but it's no accident that the Y-era fleets are much easier to operate from a logistical perspective than their non-standardized W-era forebears.

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And thank you for the kind words; though I have Rick to thank for his artistry, in terms of making the OPRB a reality. (If you have any thoughts on the Omega stuff at some later point, you're welcome to post in one of the threads linked to in my signature; but I didn't want to derail this thread much further.)
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