Orion Stealth With Cloak vs Seeking Weapons

terryoc · Post by **terryoc** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:04 am

Pinecone's post on cloaked orions just got me thinking - I know that the Orion stealth penalty vs direct fire weapons doesn't stack with a cloak. What about the "roll a die to see if you miss" effect vs seeking weapons? Seems to me that it shouldn't stack with a cloak either. AFAIK it isn't explicitly stated that it doesn't stack, which could lead to confusion.

USS Enterprise · Post by **USS Enterprise** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:19 pm

You're right, it doesn't say, so maybe it does stack. I could live with it if it did due to the fact that Orions are normally weak, but maybe it was intended that there'd be no stack.

Kang · Post by **Kang** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:52 pm

Interesting point. I'd say that we keep the 'seeking weapons can miss' benefit, but that's just my opinion. There's no need to rebalance this any further.

Why should seeking weapons suddenly find it easier to hit a ship because it's cloaked? That's pretty counterintuitive!

USS Enterprise · Post by **USS Enterprise** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:53 pm

mjwest · Post by **mjwest** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:02 am

Well, all it says is that cloak and stealth are not cumulative. Since the drone '6' roll is part of stealth, it is lost when under cloak.

Unless, of course, you decide that 1/6 chance to miss is better than 50% of damage. Since you do have the choice ...

Kang · Post by **Kang** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:16 am

mjwest wrote:Well, all it says is that cloak and stealth are not cumulative. Since the drone '6' roll is part of stealth, it is lost when under cloak.

Unless, of course, you decide that 1/6 chance to miss is better than 50% of damage. Since you do have the choice ...

But it must be simple to merely clarify, like all the other rules clarifications, and say that cloak and the stealth bonus are not cumulative.

And if that was the case, then the 1/6 miss chance would be rolled for first, then if it hits it gets 50% damage. Simple.

terryoc · Post by **terryoc** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:51 am

I think the fact that Orion stealth also offers a bonus vs seeking weapons was overlooked when the clarification was done.

And 50% reduction in warhead strength is definitely better than an average 16% reduction in damage.