1. Can the carronade be used to target systems? I think it can but the way it is described I don't know.
2. If a F torp is hit before being fully armed can it still carronade until the end of the turn like firing an armed torpedo?
A couple of Gorn Carronade questions
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Plasma Carronades (4J4c) are a special case of Plasma Bolts (4J4). As such, they operate like "regular" Plasma Bolts, except as described in (4J4c).
1. Yes. (3D4a) says that directed targetting can be used by direct fire weapons at range 10 or less, as long as no overloaded weapons are included in the volley. Since Plasma Carronades are direct fire weapons with no overload function (that can't fire outside range 10), and since (4J4) and (4J4c) do not add any additional restrictions, then, yes, Plasma Carronades can use directed targetting.
(As an aside, this is a powerful ability of normal plasma bolts. They can use directed targetting with bolts fired at range 10. This gives them the opportunity to seriously hurt an opponent before even getting to overload range!)
2. No. After a torpedo launcher is disabled (4J3d), it may only be "launched normally". This means it must use seeking mode. Additionally, (4J4b) specifically states that "[d]isabled launchers cannot fire plasma bolts." (And, as discussed above, carronades are a special type of bolt.)
1. Yes. (3D4a) says that directed targetting can be used by direct fire weapons at range 10 or less, as long as no overloaded weapons are included in the volley. Since Plasma Carronades are direct fire weapons with no overload function (that can't fire outside range 10), and since (4J4) and (4J4c) do not add any additional restrictions, then, yes, Plasma Carronades can use directed targetting.
(As an aside, this is a powerful ability of normal plasma bolts. They can use directed targetting with bolts fired at range 10. This gives them the opportunity to seriously hurt an opponent before even getting to overload range!)
2. No. After a torpedo launcher is disabled (4J3d), it may only be "launched normally". This means it must use seeking mode. Additionally, (4J4b) specifically states that "[d]isabled launchers cannot fire plasma bolts." (And, as discussed above, carronades are a special type of bolt.)
Federation Commander Answer Guy
Orions CAN use the carronade then? That's kinda scary, in the case of a Salvage Cruiser with six plasma-Fs... 42-48 points of carronade damage per turn...
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That is something that needs to be clarified in the next rules revision. Newbies and old-timer SFB folks who dropped out before carronades entered the game: "Others" = any race I am currently using that has Plasma-F.mjwest wrote:Other means Orion. The Gorns, Federation, and Orions can use the carronade.
The Romulans and ISC may NOT use the carronade.
I've got to go with TJolly...that really needs a clarification. To me, others means everyone else w/ a PL-F.
To be honest, I don't see why Rom/ISC could not also develop it. After a few blasts from a carronade, they would probably want to know what caused it. Between intelligence and R&D, they'd be able to figure it out and provide their own versions.
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To be honest, I don't see why Rom/ISC could not also develop it. After a few blasts from a carronade, they would probably want to know what caused it. Between intelligence and R&D, they'd be able to figure it out and provide their own versions.
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In SFB, Gorns developed the carronade and the Feds and Orions got it from them (illegitimately in the case of Orions). Romulans probably could have developed it, but in SFB the carronade is less powerful and is mainly useful for cloak hunting, so the Romulans probably didn't bother with the cost of developing it and deploying it on their ships. ISC might have developed it, but didn't because they weren't fighting enough cloaked ships to make it worthwhile.
I do agree that "other empires" needs to be clarified. I had been interpreting it to mean "other empires that we include in future products might get carronades, but unless it's specifically stated in the rules that that empire has carronades, they don't have carronades".
I do agree that "other empires" needs to be clarified. I had been interpreting it to mean "other empires that we include in future products might get carronades, but unless it's specifically stated in the rules that that empire has carronades, they don't have carronades".
"Captain" Terry O'Carroll, fourteen papers published including six best of issue
"Man, Terry, you are like a loophole seeking missle!" - Mike West
"Man, Terry, you are like a loophole seeking missle!" - Mike West
This, BTW, is basically the correct interpretation.terryoc wrote:I do agree that "other empires" needs to be clarified. I had been interpreting it to mean "other empires that we include in future products might get carronades, but unless it's specifically stated in the rules that that empire has carronades, they don't have carronades".
The Carronade is basically the "Gorn gimmick". As such, the whole point of it is to not let the Romulans and ISC have it.
Yes, I will add this clarification to my rules notes. (Edit: Which is no promise of anything. Just that it is noted as an issue and will be raised.)
Federation Commander Answer Guy
Well, as of a CL or two ago, the WYN do have the occasional "off-brand" ship that includes some plasma torpedoes.
Also, the Orion ships in WYN service don't really have any explicit option mount restrictions.
But, for the currently published ships in Federation Commander, you are correct. The AuxBC can only mount Ph-1, Drone, or Disruptors. The "fish" ships may only mount Ph-1 or Drones.
Also, the Orion ships in WYN service don't really have any explicit option mount restrictions.
But, for the currently published ships in Federation Commander, you are correct. The AuxBC can only mount Ph-1, Drone, or Disruptors. The "fish" ships may only mount Ph-1 or Drones.
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