Matt and I played a tourny battle this evening. Toward the end, he scored substantial damage on my Hydran Knight Destroyer.
As we marked off the damage allocation, I was left with only one bridge box and 3 frame boxes. All other boxes were destroyed.
Matt had 8 damage points left to mark for damage allocation. Since there were no bridge boxes on any of the six lines that could be hit within 8 damage points, we skipped the damage points and got caught in a circle where the eight damage points were repeated over and over.
We could never get to the end in order to have the three remaining frame boxes destroyed and thus blowing up the ship.
Were we doing something wrong during our damage allocation?
I hope I explained it well enough.
Damage Allocation Quandry
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wedge_hammersteel
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Skipped damage points are added to the end BEFORE you roll again.
For simplicity's sake, let's just assume you have two points of damage to allocate, and you just have a bridge box and three frame damage. You roll something without a bridge box anywhere in the row. You check the first column: no match. No match on the alternative. So, you "skip" the damage point and push it to the end of your available damage points. You check the second column:no match; no alternate. Again, you skip this damage point and push it to the end. Now the first damage point is up again, but you don't reroll, as you have not finished this row. So, you check the third column: no match; no alternate. You continue down the row until you get to the last column. You have no warp, so you must apply the current damage point to frame damage.
Now, after that single roll, you have applied one damage point to frame damage, and now you have one damage point left to allocate. You roll again, getting the same number. You keep "skipping" down the row until you get to the tenth column, and again apply the damage point to frame damage. Since, in this example, you only had two damage points, you are done.
Applying that to your case, after you fail to apply any of the eight damage points to anything after the eight column, the first skipped damage point comes up again and is applied to the ninth column. It is again skipped (for the second time). The next damage point is applied to the alternate for the tenth column, and a frame damage is taken. Since you never rolled anything with a bridge hit in it, you would roll four times: once for each of the frame damage boxes, and one for the last frame damage hit that causes the ship to explode.
Again, you keep applying damage points, recycling any skipped points, on that single row until you run out of columns. Only then do you re-roll.
For simplicity's sake, let's just assume you have two points of damage to allocate, and you just have a bridge box and three frame damage. You roll something without a bridge box anywhere in the row. You check the first column: no match. No match on the alternative. So, you "skip" the damage point and push it to the end of your available damage points. You check the second column:no match; no alternate. Again, you skip this damage point and push it to the end. Now the first damage point is up again, but you don't reroll, as you have not finished this row. So, you check the third column: no match; no alternate. You continue down the row until you get to the last column. You have no warp, so you must apply the current damage point to frame damage.
Now, after that single roll, you have applied one damage point to frame damage, and now you have one damage point left to allocate. You roll again, getting the same number. You keep "skipping" down the row until you get to the tenth column, and again apply the damage point to frame damage. Since, in this example, you only had two damage points, you are done.
Applying that to your case, after you fail to apply any of the eight damage points to anything after the eight column, the first skipped damage point comes up again and is applied to the ninth column. It is again skipped (for the second time). The next damage point is applied to the alternate for the tenth column, and a frame damage is taken. Since you never rolled anything with a bridge hit in it, you would roll four times: once for each of the frame damage boxes, and one for the last frame damage hit that causes the ship to explode.
Again, you keep applying damage points, recycling any skipped points, on that single row until you run out of columns. Only then do you re-roll.
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You can always apply a point of damage, since the alternate of column 10 is a frame hit. You just keep going to the right to new columns until you get to that frame hit.
Then after you apply that frame hit, you roll again. And if there's nothing in the row, you get another frame hit.
EDIT: Cross-post with mjwest. Long time interval, but my computer didn't show the new post. Sorry.
Then after you apply that frame hit, you roll again. And if there's nothing in the row, you get another frame hit.
EDIT: Cross-post with mjwest. Long time interval, but my computer didn't show the new post. Sorry.
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This has been added to the ongoing lsit of things that kill, in case an article gets written.djdood wrote:Having been trapped in that loop before too, this was a nice refresher. Might make a rules that (didn't) kill addition, since it appears at least two players misunderstood the intent.
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