Plans for PDF ship packs on e23.

[pinecone]

I don't know how many of them were built, but it was labled "Hydranized Heavy cruiser." I don't know if it's a real class but it sounds interesting. It was on the SFBOL Library

[mjwest]

I don't know how many of them were built, but it was labled "Hydranized Heavy cruiser." I don't know if it's a real class but it sounds interesting. It was on the SFBOL Library

Oh, yeah! Loved those ships!

No. Not available for multiple reasons. The top two are 1) It uses fighters, 2) It is pure "simulator". Not an option.

[pinecone]

Humm. Too bad.

what about the DNW "New Dreadnaught?" or does it have special rules behind it too?

If it does, I'll just shut up. but I would buy the suggested packs. I just Really want to see the CBs as Laminated cards, not only PDfs.

[Nerroth]

Looking a bit longer-term, an ISC set could be:


DNH, DNL, HCW, CW, DW, NCA/NCS, NDD, NFF, CLF, CBR, POL, FLG


That would expand upon the 'regular' ISC fleet, offer some of the Invasion-era 'war' classes, as well as the 'system' ships operated in the cantons cut off from ISC home space by the Andros.

For one thing, there are no battleships, except the B-10.

Don't forget the Neo/Draco-Tholian NBBs and Iridani Man-o-War battleships... and the half-finished Devastator found up in the Cloud.

(I wonder if the Andros have more of those in service elsewhere. Scary thought, I know.)

[mjwest]

what about the DNW "New Dreadnaught?" or does it have special rules behind it too?

No special rules. It is just a "war dreadnought" based off an NCL. I didn't include it because, as I had stated before, I was trying to ignore any new classes. The one exception I had made was the CCH, as it was requested so often. I suppose we could start to throw in the various other combat classes that haven't been touched on yet, too, if it is so critical. Like DNW, CWH, CWF, DDL, FFL, DWL. I am sure there are more I can't think of off the top of my head.

[Nerroth]

I was asking on the legacy board about the likes of BBLs, in terms of where (and how) they might be done.

According to the reply there, it's not yet decided whether or not each light battleship would take up one or two spaces; but they might be more likely seen split up into their specific empire's file rather than offered in the one go.

If they could be up for consideration sooner rather than later, I'd drop the FLG in my proposed ISC list to make room for their BBL, or both the FLG and POL if two spaces are required.


If room could be made for the likes of the Fed BBL, Klingon B9 and Romulan KSH along the way, that would be nice, too.


(Actually, if there are enough new Romulan ships for it, a 'Hawk' module headed up by the King Shrike, and a 'Kestrel' module including a KR version of the B9, could be neat to see...)

[mjwest]

A few things here ...

If they could be up for consideration sooner rather than later, I'd drop the FLG in my proposed ISC list to make room for their BBL, or both the FLG and POL if two spaces are required.

The FLG is a non-starter. It has a special sensor. We can't use it outside BoM.

If room could be made for the likes of the Fed BBL, Klingon B9 and Romulan KSH along the way, that would be nice, too.

Quite frankly, the only reason I mentioned the B9 is because it has a miniature. If it comes right down to it, and that is seen as a problem, there are enough candidate ships for the Klingons to just ignore the B9 and do other stuff.

(Actually, if there are enough new Romulan ships for it, a 'Hawk' module headed up by the King Shrike, and a 'Kestrel' module including a KR version of the B9, could be neat to see...)

The problem with doing a K-B9-R is that it doesn't exist in yet. As was seen by the rather innocuous suggestions around Fed plasma ships, a "new" ship like that must be suggested for SFB and accepted before we can include it in FC. (There have been a couple exceptions, but those were all "surprises" from Steve.) Particularly for "formal" use like the PDF packs would be.

[mjwest]

DNH, DNL, HCW, CW, DW, NCA/NCS, NDD, NFF, CLF, CBR, POL, FLG

As I just mentioned the FLG is a non-starter.

Also, I would hope to see the DNH, DNL, Pol and possibly the CW and DW, held back for use as actual laminated ship cards. I would hate to see the opportunity lost for actual laminated ship cards by forcing them into a PDF pack too quickly.

(The rest look like filler stuff that works just fine for a PDF pack.)

[Nerroth]

The FLG is a non-starter. It has a special sensor. We can't use it outside BoM.

Unless you replaced it with a lab box or something, for vanilla FC use.

(That said, a heavy police ship would probably do just as well for most empires; though I don't recall seeing the Romulans get one.)

Quite frankly, the only reason I mentioned the B9 is because it has a miniature. If it comes right down to it, and that is seen as a problem, there are enough candidate ships for the Klingons to just ignore the B9 and do other stuff.

The presence of a mini would make it more, not less, of a good idea to do a 'formal' Ship Card for it via e23, in my view; as it would for the idea below.

The problem with doing a K-B9-R is that it doesn't exist in yet. As was seen by the rather innocuous suggestions around Fed plasma ships, a "new" ship like that must be suggested for SFB and accepted before we can include it in FC. (There have been a couple exceptions, but those were all "surprises" from Steve.) Particularly for "formal" use like the PDF packs would be.

To be honest, I'm not sure I'd feel too comfortable starting up a KB9R topic over on the discus BBS just so I can say I'd like it to be in FC first... when the ship it's based on hasn't even been in a formal SFB module yet.

As with the Klingon original, the fact that a model exists for the ship would, in my view, make it that bit more useful to consider as the head of a 'kestrel' e23 file. (Of course, were it to be accepted, it could be good to see it in R13, alongside the B9 and KSH; so there would still be an SFB application for it.)

*goes and sets up a thread for it anyway*

Also, I would hope to see the DNH, DNL, Pol and possibly the CW and DW, held back for use as actual laminated ship cards. I would hate to see the opportunity lost for actual laminated ship cards by forcing them into a PDF pack too quickly.

(The rest look like filler stuff that works just fine for a PDF pack.)

Well, before I try not to get a bit too defensive over calling the system ships and others 'filler' units, there is one thing I want to re-address.

Maybe I missed a post to that effect, but has it been officially stated that the presence of a particular ship in e23 will preclude its use in a future printed module?

For my part, for the likes of the ISC and others, I would still very much like to be able to get laminated versions of these ships, regardless of whether or not they are selected for an e23 ISC file. I wouldn't like to think I was the only one.



Oh, by the way, if packs are to be one empire at a time, where is that going to leave odd ships, like of the OGR and OGD?

(If they couldn't be put in with, say, whatever Seltorian ships were in service back in the home galaxy, it would be unfortunate if they had to wait for PD Tholians, then wait to see if an SFB or FC module could be extrapolated from the data therein, before they could get a home via e23...)

[Steve Cole]

The police flagshps are strang enough that we might include them, even if the player just ignored the sensor.

[pinecone]

i for one would enjoy seeing the Police flagships.

[mjwest]

The police flagships are strange enough that we might include them, even if the player just ignored the sensor.

OK, but once you change the barracks to hull, the repair to cargo, discard the special shuttles, and remove its other special abilities, all you are left with is a crappy scout frigate with extra marines units. And if you actually remove the special sensor, you are left with a crappy frigate troop ship.

If you do leave the special sensor in, though, then I would like to start formally adding scouts and survey ships into the mix, too. At that point, special sensors are not really all that BoM any more.

[Nerroth]

Well, if the FLG wouldn't end up being that useful in FC, I'd just suggest the ISC HPL instead.

Indeed, if the ISC BBL did end up taking two spaces away from the POL and HPL (or POL and FLG) maybe the standard and heavy police units could be added as bonus hulls in a pack with otherwise pre-existing Ship Cards?



EDIT: Since the Andros (as of yet) have no BBL, but don't have the Devastator published already, I'd ask that a file of 'new' Andromedan Ship Cards include a DEV for them to frighten other empires' battleships with.

Okay, so maybe a Juggernaut BB might not be so scared, but that's something of a special case...

[Dan Ibekwe]

Updated non - BoM list...

Kiowa NDN
Lord Admiral and Lord Chancellor Heavy Command Cruisers (CHA, CHC)
Cheyanne NCA
Apache & Commanche Medium Command Cruisers
HMS Anarchist
Demon Hunter HDW, baseline combat version
Lion Hunter DWL
Caravan tug
LTT
Pegasus troopship variant

Also;

Large and small exploration freighters
Large and small repair freighters
Large and small mining freighters
Large ore carrier
Very large, large and small military freighters (with the uprated engines)
Large and small military-engined troopships

[Nerroth]

Since you mention generic hulls, the Fast Naval Transport could be a nice addition to that list...