Am I missing something...?

[Captain Nebula]

I'm trying to find Fed vs Gorn or Fed vs Tholian Scenarios in the Main set Klingon Border and Romulan Space or in the Communiques.

I know I can use THE DUEL for either of those, but no specific Scenarios. Even though there are Ship Cards for Gorn and Tholian.

Am I missing something?

[erykitch]

You’re not missing anything, unfortunately. The main sets like Klingon Border and Romulan Space don’t have specific Fed vs. Gorn or Fed vs. Tholian scenarios. THE DUEL is a good alternative, but it’s a bummer that more tailored scenarios aren’t readily available. Maybe someone in the community has created their own scenarios they could share?

[mjwest]

Even in the broader "Star Fleet Universe", combat between the Federation and Tholians is extremely rare, and combat between the Federation and Gorn is non-existent.

In the background, the Federation found the Tholians politically and strategically useful, and the Tholians were not expansionistic. As a result, they preferred to use the Tholians as tools against the Klingons and a roadblock between the Klingons and the Romulans. This left very few opportunities for open conflict between the two empires. As such, there are very, very few scenarios that feature battles between the Federation and the Tholians. There was one notable one that involved a rogue Federation captain assaulting a Tholian station in support of a story in Captain's Log. Other than that, I can't think of any.

In the background, the Federation and the Gorns were fast friends almost from the beginning. Things got off to a rough start when two hot-head captains engaged in a skirmish, but once that was smoothed over, they got along famously and were strong allies throughout. (Much to the consternation of the Romulans.) As such, there are no official scenarios of the Federation and Gorns battling because, in the given in-game history, they flat out didn't fight.

The easiest way to fix any of this is to find a scenario you want to play that uses different empires, then switch it to use the empires you want to use. It can be a bit tricky to get the forces to work right with the new empire, but at least the scenario structure and setup are there for you to work with.

[Captain Nebula]

Good to know.

Thanks to both of you.

[Chinmayi]

I typically look for any community-created scenarios or custom content that might provide matches you're interested in.

[Sgt_G]

It probably would not be overly hard to create a whole set of scenarios under the heading of The War That Never Was depicting the alternative-universe where the Fed & Gorns do not become friends.

Of course, there would be no tech exchange, so the Feds can't have Plasma torps.

[mjwest]

Or, just spit-ballin' here, we could make some scenarios around the alternative history Imperial Federation from SFB Module R4J. In that setup, the Federation has the mindset and political structure more typical of traditional Romulans (though it is still a human-dominated empire). And the Romulans have a more Vulcan-esque approach and are buddy-buddy with the Gorns. In this situation, there is lots of room for Federation/Gorn conflict.

Do note, however, that these Feds still don't bother with the Tholians, as the Tholians are still useful to them and subsequently just not worth the bother of attacking.

[Captain Nebula]

I think I'm going to stick with The Duel scenario.

Maybe pick up Tholian Attack someday.

[Sgt_G]

Odd name for that module. Shouldn't it be Tholian Defense??

[mjwest]

I honestly never really thought of that. That is a fair point and coulda been a cool variation. Too late now!

[Dal Downing]

Tholians Attack is fine considering they literally ATTACKED the Klingon to seize the Holdfast Territory.

[Sgt_G]

They were just passing thru. The Klingon happened to be in the way.

[Steve Cole]

Captain's Log did a four-player story/scenario where a Fed, Klingon, Romulan, and Tholian ship showed up to watch a star explode and didn't play well together.

[djdood]

Also just spit-balling, but there is nothing from stopping you from taking an existing Federation vs. Klingon or other adversary empire and replacing the adversary with Gorns, adjusting a bit for the absence of whatever gimmick the replaced empire might have had (cloaking devices, webs, etc.).

As Mike West noted, the Gorns and Federation were almost immediately very close allies. But, allies take full advantage of the opportunity to train hard against an opponent with different ships, technology, and tactics.

Certainly lots of small skirmish size fights at the local level. I'm also picturing something like the US Navy and their ally's big WESTPAC exercises, where an opposing Federation and Gorn fleet try to beat the stuffing out of each other (but with simulated weapons and damage and shared cold beverages back at the hosting starbase).

[Captain Nebula]

Very cool!

Thanks everybody!