The ISC in duels

captaincf · Post by **captaincf** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:11 pm

I was making a list of ships for the next free for all, focusing on the CWs or the equivalent with a BPV limt of 140 with most coming in at 135. Unfortunately, the ISC have NOTHING in that range. I tought maybe the Light Cruiser, but that is 145 and the rear plasma Fs make it a very nasty ship in a duel, even with the firing restrictions.
Any idea what I should do?

Sgt_G · Post by **Sgt_G** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:35 pm

In SFB, the early ISC ships did not have rear-firing Ph-3 or PL-F. Per rule (R13.R2), delete the PL-F and drop the BPV by 2 points per PL-F, and per rule (R13.R1) drop the Ph-3 for another point each. Further, per rule (R13.R3), early ISC ships had PL-G rather than PL-S, for five point reduction each torpedo.

Ergo, you can get the CL down from 145 to 137, 133, 127, or 123 points using the SFB mods.

mjwest · Post by **mjwest** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:48 pm

There is another option, too.

When the Pl-Fs were introduced, some CLs and CAs started with only a pair of Pl-Fs, instead of the full set. So, you can have:
CL as printed.
CL with only two Pl-Fs.
CL with no Pl-Fs.
CL with Pl-G instead of Pl-S and no Pl-Fs.
CL with Pl-G instead of Pl-s, and no Pl-Fs and no Ph-3s.
(Note that these are the only possible combinations due to the YIS of the various refits.)

The BPV adjustments are given as Garth.

Sgt_G · Post by **Sgt_G** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:37 pm

I didn't notice this was the SFB topic ... I thought it was a FedCmdr topic. Ergo, what I didn't include was the time line from (R13.Rx). The PH-3 were added in Y165, then the PL-G were upgraded to PL-S in Y170, and then the PL-F were added in as singles in Y171, and finally as pairs (or more for CA and up) in Y179.

captaincf · Post by **captaincf** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:51 pm

Thanks. I had forgotten about that. I think the CM without the Pl-f and Ph-3s should be good. Still upper end, but it gives the players a chance to try out the PPD and has good plasma back up.

Sentinal · Post by **Sentinal** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:09 am

Captaincf,

What Sgt_G had pointed out with the YIS refits, was that in order to NOT take the Ph-3 refit, you also have to NOT TAKE the plasma G upgrade because this refit occurs after the Ph-3 refit is installed.

Sgt_G · Post by **Sgt_G** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:19 pm

Sentinal,

If you're talking about the CM, it never got the PL-G to PL-S upgrade. On the flip side, it's first YIS is after the PH-3 additions. Ergo, he can take the CM at full value of 150, or drop one pair of PL-F for 146, or all PL-F for 142, but he cannot drop the PH-3 to bring it down to 138.

captaincf · Post by **captaincf** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:55 pm

That is what I did. I am using the CM without the PL-fs.