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A pair of special sensors for drone control?! What would a pair of them do that a single one could not? Remember that only one sensor can be used to control drones. I don't think it would make a whit of difference if it had a special sensor.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:56 pm: Edit

Mark,

Yeah, I can do that. You might just want to slap on the standard large aux CV command hull...it would make it easier to build that way. I'll email you the finished product.

By John Trauger (Vorlon) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 03:00 am: Edit

Please, no special sensors. A scout-carrier spin would be the death of this thing.

By Mark Kuyper (Mark_K) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 04:02 am: Edit

Mike,
Standard module it is then.

John,
There are two (or possibly three) SSDs that will come of this. The first is a very large FCR that the Feds could really use during the first year of the war. Not too hot in and of itself, but it gives a very useful number of fighters for defensive operations. Odds are the ship will only be used in a couple SFB scenarios, but most Fed players would trade in a lesser relative to have a couple in F&E.

The second SSD, the one that potentially could have a special sensor on it, is the "Threat file" that the Klingons created when they first started getting info on these things. Very wrong, and very scary. Conceptually its the "Four squadron" carrier that breaks too many of the rules for real use. Great fun for simulator fights, and a perfect present for your Fed player on his birthday, but not something that would be "Historical". It would pack enough punch on its own to rate DD or CL firepower.

The third SSD is a potential "Third Way" testbed. One build in about 167 for preliminary mass squadron operations. Similar to the threat SSD but with very few weapons. No Special sensors on this. One built (historically) and used by the Feds in desperate fights. Its the "Real" four squadron carrier that breaks one or two rules... B-)

I've given a brief rational for them up above. I'll work on coming up with a more detailed back story after I get some imput from a couple people on the F&E side.

By John Trauger (Vorlon) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:24 pm: Edit

I don't think even the "threat file" version should have special sensors. And I don't think any 'threat file" version would, if the thing gets published.

And I'd put down $20 of real money to back that up. If this ship is accepted, I'll bet $20 that no version of it will be a scout-carrier. Even a threat-file version that creates a SV opens the door a crack and threatens to inundate the ADB with "my race too!" mail.

I find I dislike "threat file" ships because they tend to open the door to munchkinism.

By John Pepper (Akula) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:51 pm: Edit

I love the idea, this brings up a few other ideas as well.
1. Bombers are the same size or smaller then pf's so why wouldn't the feds outfit a Ore carrier for this purpose(you can't tell me the bombers are too big for a ore carrier)?
2. The feds should have later upgraded this ship to a super-space control ship with F-111's or A-20's.
3. I see the Kzin or the Hydrans using a similar ship alought it would probly be best to limit the ships to the federation.
4. What about pf transports of similar size, this would explain how pf's were delivered to bases.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:48 pm: Edit

I thought SVC was very specific that bombers had to operate from ground bases; no ships can carry them. Or did I imagine I read that?

By David Kass (Dkass) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:11 pm: Edit

No, that is what I remember, something about requiring acres of landing field (each) to operate from. You might be able to operate a single bomber off a F-OL but what is the point in that?

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:51 pm: Edit

No, he said absolutly no bombers on ships or bases, ever! Planets and asteroids only. He said it and said it again.

By Daniel G. Knipfer (Dgknipfer) on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 06:54 am: Edit

Mike,

I liked the second SSD you posted last week, but I'd leave the weapons at those of a standard ore carrier and add the Skids and Ducktails that some one else suggested. I don't think that the Fed would intend this ship for combat, but once they realized that it would probably wind up there, they'd upgrade it the cheapest and easiest way possible, with add-ons like skids and ducktails.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 10:34 am: Edit

Bombers cannot EVER be on ships or bases, only on planets and asteroids. Any proposal for carrying bombers on ships will be summarily dismissed and the fiend who proposed it will lose all of his ace cards and get an SFBOL rating of 9,000.

By John Pepper (Akula) on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 12:55 pm: Edit

Sorry!!(I knew ships were out but I had no idea about the bases) Any thoughts on my other proposals.

By Mike Raper (Raperm) on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 08:29 pm: Edit

Okay, here is the latest version of this, with Marks requested changes. I only made one tiny little change; I upped the APR from 2 to 4. The only other recommendation I'd make is to change the move cost to 1.5; granted, it still tops out at a speed of 21 and has to strain to get there, but a move cost of 1 for a monster like this is too low, IMHO.

In any case, thar she blows...

Revised Auxilliary Super CVH

By John Erwin Hacker (Godzillaking) on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 07:11 pm: Edit

Mike:
When a looked for the Revised Auzilliary Super CVH above I was lead to yahoo's "sorry this page is unavailable" page. Could you possible refresh it or put up here. Thanks,John

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 06:04 pm: Edit

In one sense this has been overtaken by Module R8 where Heavy Auxiliary Ships were published, to include Carrier (only two carrier pods) and space control and fast patrol ship versions. I am not sure a purely conjectural "impossible" design with four carrier pods is worth publishing, and the "Bomber Barge" version was already done in Stellar Shadows.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 09:25 pm: Edit

JEANWEBMOM, I NEED TO PROCESS THIS FOR CL#47 BEFORE IT IS DELETED.

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